Mike,Read what I put up for JA on this page. You will be interested in that too.

I know Keith, but your view isn't supported as to your translation of monogenes with the early church fathers and the writers of the creeds.

Keith,You ought to know that there are scholarly trinitarians that disagree with you because you don't seem to acknowledge that. I don't mind if you post things that you think disagree with me, you do it all the time. Just put it in the right topic. I am not purposely looking especially for those that disagree with you, I just easily come…[Read more]

JA,I think this guy has something of interest to say about “today I have begotten you…”Quote Matthew Henry's commentary on Psalm 2:7 is here, in part:Psalms 2:7-9II. There is a declaration of that decree as far as is necessary for the satisfaction of all those who are called and commanded to yield themselves subjects to this king, and to leave…[Read more]

Keith,Quote For the life of me, I do not understand why you pick sources and imply their quotes mean that Jesus had a beginning before the ages? I am realizing that these kind of statements:” “HE NEVER HAD A BEGINNING, for He was there in the beginning(John 1:1). In His prayer to the Father in the upper room, He spoke of “the glory which I had…[Read more]

Ya'll,I'm just researching some here to see how different ones explain 'eternally begotten' whether or not I agree with them, I will still post their opinions. I just want to have a place for the various opinions that I come across to be located in one topic.

Dennison or someone that can read Greek,I found the Nicene Creed in the Greek:http://www.creeds.net/ancient/niceneg.htmI would like to know what word/words were translated as eternally begotten. I am guessing that 'begotten before the ages' is a more accurate translation. I know some Greek but I depend on an interlinear and a morphological study…[Read more]

Regarding monogenes and how it is translated, Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. from the Institute for Creation Research has this to say:Quote The Only Begotten SonBut why was it important for the Holy Spirit who inspired these five great verses to stress that the Lord Jesus was the incarnate only begotten Son of God? Many modern English translations of the…[Read more]

From the Institute for Creation Research, Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. had this to say about 'eternally begotten:'Quote Eternally BegottenHe is not just the only begotten Son of the Father, for He is also the eternally begotten Son of the Father. He is eternally “in His bosom,” yet always “going forth” to “declare” the Father–once as the creating Word,…[Read more]

Shimmer,I really want to be done with this but you need to know that I did not privately pm Keith to degrade anyone behind their back but to encourage Keith to continue to take the higher road and avoid discussions like the one going on so as to NOT add flame to the fire and continue the poor behavior that we were all witnessing (yes, even you)…[Read more]

Fine Shimmer, I apologize for hurting you. I won't tell you what I think when you ask me again. If I said something to you that I thought was true and you don't think that it was, then maybe you are coming across in a way that you don't even realize. You won't even tell me what I wrote that you don't think was true so how can I really apologize…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,19:44)Ok. Well has WJ sensed a mean spirit with you toward me ? Because I did and I approached you in the forum about it, and you denied it. But then in private you let rip. And what you wrote hurt me. But I prayed and I replied to you and apologised to have upset you, I could have argued back as most of what you said…[Read more]

Shimmer,I have not said anything about you that I have not told you personally, or JA for that matter. No secrets here. I rarely private message anyone. The only thing that I have said about you to anyone was twice. Once I asked Mike to apologize to you because you were having a rough day and you didn't mean what you said way back when and…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,10:13)Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07)That last post was for you LUShimmer,Not everything is your business.You will ignore scripture.  A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28  For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling c…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07)That last post was for you LUShimmer,Not everything is your business.

Pierre, Thank you!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,16:45)Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,16:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,09:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 08 2010,15:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,14:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,13:50)You won't answer questions that clearly refute your claims. Why…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,15:31)WJ,You continue with you twisting because you cannot answer – why not be MAN enough to ignore the 'insults' and answer – is there a short cut…LU, yes you may well wonder why Keith does not just answer.Have you seen Mike do the same – – Yes.neither can answer so they both use the same tactic of saying “oooh…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 08 2010,15:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,14:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,13:50)You won't answer questions that clearly refute your claims. Why is this? What do you fear from admitting a truth? Are you not to learn truth…do you make yourself into a Devil and a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,14:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,13:50)You won't answer questions that clearly refute your claims. Why is this? What do you fear from admitting a truth? Are you not to learn truth…do you make yourself into a Devil and a Satan simply because you fear admitting the truth?JAWhos truth? Your truth?No body…[Read more]