Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,21:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2010,03:33)Thanks for your answer Mike!And thanks for your honest answer that if the same circumstances involved Jesus instead of Paul, you would count “bowing down to” as “God Worship”. Doesn't that tell you something?  Are you maybe reading the scriptures with a bias that you…[Read more]

Irene and Pierre,The angels were told to worship the Son…right?And we are told by Jesus, Himself, to: John 5:23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.to honor means: to estimate, fix the valuefor the value of something belonging to one's selfto honour,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 17 2010,22:14)Really Kathi?  I don't think they were used to worshipping the ONLY TRUE GOD through his Son.  To them, it had always been only YHVH, and Paul was introducing them to YHVH's Son, whom we must go through to be saved.That's what I THINK, anyway.  Why, do you know of any instance where Paul indicated we sh…[Read more]

Mike,This sorta sounds like you:Acts 18:12-1312 And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,13 Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.KJV What do you think Paul was teaching that made them make that conclusion?

Hi Pierre,Thanks for sharing your favorite Psalm. I like this part:Ps 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand. Ps 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory. Ps 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee. Ps 73:26 My…[Read more]

Pierre,Those are good questions. For starters: we believe IN both of them, we follow both of themwe recognize them both as Lord over uswe recognize them as our creatorwe surrender our lives to themwe forgive others and love others and care for others to honor themwe trust them both, etc.Remember that we have 'seen' the Father in a sense because…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Do you know of any scriptures that tell us to honor someone other than Christ, 'just as' we honor the Father?

Yes Keith, I do enjoy corporate worship. I especially like being outdoors at our city's Riverbend Festival on Faith Night when there are tons of people from all the different area churches singing praises on a pleasant summer evening along the riverfront downtown with some famous Christian artist leading us.Enjoy your revival

Have a great time Keith! You speak in the future tense as if God does not inhabit you now? Does He come and go?

Yes, I know…bad, bad Fido, lol.

Mike,Thanks for noticing that I left out the link…it was my dog's fault I fixed it.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 13 2010,20:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2010,19:22)Just a thought here as I was looking at the definitions of 'logos' and saw that 'decree' was a definition of that word.  See here:Quote Logos1. of speecha word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or ideawhat someone has saida wordthe sayings of…[Read more]

Just a thought here as I was looking at the definitions of 'logos' and saw that 'decree' was a definition of that word. See here:Quote Logos1. of speecha word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or ideawhat someone has saida wordthe sayings of Goddecree, mandate or orderof the moral precepts given by GodOld Testament prophecy given…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Here ya go, you and Keith can put your comments on 1 John 5:7 on this thread oops, I forgot the link so I edited this in https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….e+comma

Bump for Irene and Keith…have at it!

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,23:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2010,23:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,22:53)I know Keith, but your view isn't supported as to your translation of monogenes with the early church fathers and the writers of the creeds.KathiAnd just how is that? Because the word “Monogenes” is not in the creeds. The word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,23:26)keith,When I say the Son had a beginning before creation, I equate that with He was generated before creation.  Just like what it says here:Quote Council of Constantinople II”If anyone does not confess that there are two generations of the Word of God, one from the Father before all ages, without time and…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Ah, the 'comma' strikes again…you can debate that all you want to here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….e+comma

Dennison,I am so sorry for your loss of one of your family members. I lost my Dad a few months ago and I know that it is hard, very, very hard.Bless you,Kathi

Thanks Mike for that one-sided dialogue with John MacArthur  I understand your thinking on that.  Here's a link to a view which opposes 'eternally begotten' and favors 'incarnationally begotten:'  http://www.letgodbetrue.com/sermons/pdf/sonship-of-christ.pdfI am finding all these views interesting.