Mike,I think that the trouble you are having is in understanding that the Son humbled Himself to the Father and took on the form of a servant.Phil 2:77 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. NASUSo, was He always a bond-servant of God's or did He take the form of a bond-servant?  He wasn't…[Read more]

Mike,These 'word games' are word 'pictures' and Jesus used this method in His many parables.Jesus, as the Son of God, is the 'extension' of God Himself in the distinct person of the Son, yet that distinct person is inseparable from God.  Similar to the light rays that are from the giant ball of gas as an 'extension' of the ball of gas and…[Read more]

Mike,You still don't get it…apart from the Son, God's glory is not radiating from Him. The Son does not reflect God's glory but is God's the radiance of that glory.The Son and Spirit are part of the glory that comes from Him, not recipients or reflectors of God's glory. Like the light rays are inseparable from the sun so is the Son and Spirit…[Read more]

Hi ya'll,It's that time of year again. I debated about bringing this topic up since it was such a drama filled one last year, but something happened today that reminded me of it…Last year discussing this helped me to re-dedicate my past stance of not participating in a celebration that even appears like a halloween celebration in our…[Read more]

Mike,I'm not saying that the Son 'reflects' the glory of God but IS the actual RADIANCE OF the glory of God and it is creation (not the Son) that reflects that radiance (the light of Christ). The 'radiance' is the light from the light source…the 'light of light.'

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 22 2010,15:42)Quote (Baker @ Oct. 21 2010,07:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2010,15:42)Quote (Baker @ Oct. 19 2010,17:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2010,07:12)Hi Irene,If you don't think that Jesus is part of the God of commandment one, then tell me what commandment has you honoring the Messiah?  Think about it, there are…[Read more]

Mike and Pierre,Believers REFLECT the glory of God but are not the radiance of His glory like the Son is. Get that straight.We will not have the highest glory of God because He gives His glory to no one. The Son is the radiance of that glory that God gives to no one. So, Pierre and Mike, you don't need to concern yourselves with being worshiped…[Read more]

You are right, God's holy Spirit is a part of God and you don't ONLY worship a part of God but you worship the fullness of God, including the radiance of His glory and His Spirit. If you don't worship the radiance of His glory and His Spirit, you are the one worshiping God only in part.Kathi can't come out of 'her' if Kathi isn't in 'her.'Good…[Read more]

Mike,This passage is about the Son AFTER humbling Himself and becoming flesh. He takes on a different role than He had before, the Son of Man role. Once He became the Son of Man as well as who He was and continued to be as the Son of God, He didn't 'unbecome' the Son of Man, although He was exalted to the right hand of the Father and His glory…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2010,21:38)Kathi:Quote Those who worshiped the sun, did they not include the rays as part of the sun and the heat as from the sun? What?!?  Now you worship the Sun, too?         Just kidding, I had to “go there” since you said not to. Kathi, if we use your analogy of the sun, and scriptures say to only worship the body…[Read more]

Pierre,No one will read all that you wrote:Quote NOW THE SON OF GOD APPOINTED;PETER,JAMES,MATHEW,JOHN,TITUS,MARK,AND PAUL,TO REPRESENT THE WORD OF GOD AND TEACH IT ,AND THEY DID.ONE QUESTION;DO ANY ONE OF THE EARLY CHURCH HAVE THE CREDIENCIALS OF THOSE IN SCRIPTURES ??SECOND QUESTION;;WHAT DO THEY TEACH THAT IS DIFFERENT ,OR BETTER THAN WHAT…[Read more]

Pierre,Matt 11:2727 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. NASUJohn 1:1818 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NASU

Chrysostom (that is #6):”But the very thing which he said, “the brightness of the glory,” hear also Christ Himself saying, “I am the Light of the world.” ( John viii. 12.) Therefore he uses the word “brightness,” showing that this was said in the sense of “Light of Light.” Nor is it this alone which he shows, but also that He hath enlightened our…[Read more]

That is five names in about a half hour Pierre and Irene. Is that enough for you?

Athanasius:”The Father, possessing His existence from Himself, begat the Son, as we said, and did not create Him, as a river from a well and as a branch from a root, and as brightness from a light, things which nature knows to be indivisible; through whom to the Father be glory and power and greatness before all ages, and unto all the ages of the…[Read more]

More from Theophilus, eighth post from the top:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;st=60″God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels, begat Him, emitting Him along with His own wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by Him He made all things.”

And…Cyril,”Desiring to investigate the Mystery of the economy with flesh of the Only Begotten, we say this, holding true doctrine and right faith, that the Word Himself out of God the Father, Very God out of Very God, the Light That is out of Light, was Incarnate and made Man,…”Third post from the top:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;st=30

Then there is Tatian, seventh post from the top:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;st=20And by His simple will the Logos springs forth; and the Logos, not coming forth in vain, becomes the first-begotten work of the Father. Him (the Logos) we know to be the beginning of the world. But He came into being by participation,434434 κατὰ μερισμόν.…[Read more]

Then on the same page, Tertullian, seventh post from the top.

Pierre and Irene,Here is one (second post from the top):Theophilushttps://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….11;st=0