Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2010,22:00)Kathi:Quote How is your list coming, the one where you list the supernatural acts of Jesus just before He was given proskuneo?I gave you one to start with.  The one where he was “worshipped” right in front of the Pharisees and they didn't mind at all. Kathi:Quote Here is a passage for you that speaks about…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2010,22:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2010,15:29)I think it would be helpful for you to list all the times that proskuneo is given to Jesus and then see if anything supernatural was done within the context.  This should be a very objective exercise as opposed to subjective.So in other words, if the man bowed down…[Read more]

t8,I understand your thoughts. I think that the one true God, the Father considers the Son as much a part of Him as the radiance is a part of His glory.If I were to say to you to picture the glory of God would you picture something with light that is radiating? If so, then you pictured the source of light and the rays that came from it as all…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Thank you for your clear words. I really would like to hear your definition of 'the trinity' when you get the chance.Thanks!

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2010,01:29)Quote David,I think that the word 'very' just means 'true.'  That isn't nonsensical.  I guess that it is said for emphasis.LU, can you put it into a complete senstence then?  Would it be: “Jesus is truely the God of the true God”?Is that what we think it means?–or is it Jesus being the True God of Jehovah, who is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2010,01:09)If Jesus is the “God of” God Jehovah, then what would it mean if Jehovah is also the “God of” Jesus, as scripture actually states?What does the word “God” mean and how is it that Jesus is the “God of” the Father and at the same time the Father is actually described as the “God of” Jesus?To me, this is like saying…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2010,00:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2010,16:21)Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,21:36)Quote very God of very GodIt seems the first instance of “God” here, it is being used as a verb.  Actually, maybe in both instances, it's being used as a verb.Can you explain what this means?David,I don't see the word “God” in either case as…[Read more]

Here is another example that speaks of Christ as a part of God…Quote But to whom”is the arm of the Lord revealed?” (Is 53:1) And what does this “arm” really mean?  In Deuteronomy 33:27 there is a deep promise: “The eternal God is thy refuge, and undereath are the everlasting arms.” Targum Onkelos paraphrases this saying: “These arms and the…[Read more]

Mike,You realize that before the Son became man, He did not act according to His humanity but only according to His divinity? After He became man, He had both natures and said things and acted sometimes according to His divine nature and sometimes according to His human nature. In Micah 5, He is going to shepherd His flock according to His…[Read more]

Mike,The scripture does not say “not in His own strength” does it Mike.Jesus is Lord as in Jehovah.I am learning a great deal from Godly men's understanding. The Spirit has led many people that have paved the way before us and has gifted them with the gifts of teaching. What good would it be to give the gift of teaching to men or women if there…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2010,22:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2010,16:29)Mike,Study the word for worship and carefully observe when it is done after a supernatural act.  This might help you see why it is translated as worship in many Bibles when given to Jesus.Hi Kathi,Like the supernatural act of giving the blind man sight?  Because that's o…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Oct. 28 2010,02:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2010,16:26)Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,22:08)Quote Don't separate God from His radiance or you will be without the true light. –LUJesus is called both the “way” and the “light.”He is our way to God.  He is the light that helps us to see and understand God.  No one is suggesting we s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2010,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2010,16:36)You can see for yourself that the Greek word for worship was what was given to Jesus after He showed His divine power several times.Yes Kathi,This is one of those times:John 9:35-40 NIV35Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you…[Read more]

Mike,What do you not get about Jesus BEING the Lord? The Father made Him both Christ and Lord…remember?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2010,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2010,16:36)You can see for yourself that the Greek word for worship was what was given to Jesus after He showed His divine power several times.Yes Kathi,This is one of those times:John 9:35-40 NIV35Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,22:08)Quote Don't separate God from His radiance or you will be without the true light. –LUJesus is called both the “way” and the “light.”He is our way to God.  He is the light that helps us to see and understand God.  No one is suggesting we separate Jesus from God.  We are simply suggesting that God is much above Je…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,22:16)Quote i Kathi,To which scripture do you refer where Jesus spoke as “God OF God”?There in fact are none.  Jesus is repeatedly referred to as the “Son of” God, and he is never ever referred to as the “God of” God.Why can't we just go with what the scriptures repeatedly and clearly say?  Even the Niceen Creed says t…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,21:36)Quote very God of very GodIt seems the first instance of “God” here, it is being used as a verb.  Actually, maybe in both instances, it's being used as a verb.Can you explain what this means?David,I don't see the word “God” in either case as a verb but as a noun. For instance, if I said “Spirit of God” the word…[Read more]

Mike,In the strength of the LORD (i.e. according to His divinity)…Jesus is the LORD.The 'LORD his God' is the Father.The LORD is Himself according to His divinity.

David,Quote Is the Niceene Creed in the OT? I just can't find it. Try the NT. If you need more help, let me know.