Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,05:34)Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:00)Marty,You posted a scripture where the angels worshiped Jesus. I don't believe I ever got your response to my question. Do you worship Jesus? Peace-MarkMarty,I am curious to your response on this also.Thanks!Hi Kathi and Mark:I thought I…[Read more]

Shimmer in the context of creation, the Son of God is not expressed by God as another person but as His outstretched Arm.

Ok Ted but you continue to call Jesus an angel and I guess that is confusing me. In the story of Abraham, two of the 'men,' who we find out in the next chapter are definitely angels, were going on ahead and Abraham was left talking with the third 'man' and this is the account:22Then (W)the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,16:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,14:40)Marty and Pierre,Good verses Marty!  However there are several on here that think that if the word means kneeling down in front of, or bowing dow to, or doing obeisance then that would be ok to do to other gods.  No matter how you translate it, when it is an act of r…[Read more]

Should the question be:Was the Son of God always superior to the angels until He was lowered for a little whiles below the angels? The answer is YES to that question!

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 18 2010,08:15)Kathi…. Gen:18…. The three men that appeared were angels….It was abraham who addressed them as a group or was speaking to one  as lord and in those days the term Lord refered to Jehovah and that name refered only to God…I can see how this could be construed as a physical gathering involving a face to…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 18 2010,07:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,07:37)Hi there Ted,This is as fine a place as any to discuss when the Son was begotten…there are plenty of threads to choose from, LOL.  I've just about been to all of them and it is of great interest to me and also key in many ways.As far as Melchizedek, that is somewhat of…[Read more]

JA,I believe that firstborn means first to be born, not first over all created beings. The Hebrews understood a firstborn as one that was the first of the Father's procreative strength.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,04:43)Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies.Everyone here has a spirit and everyone here has a body, so yes, spirits dwell in bodies…there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and they contain spirit.Hi Kathi,That's also how Gene sees it, and I concur.  But…[Read more]

Ted,I found you at “eternally begotten” and we can discuss there when you return from the 'library' No hurry! I have to design a kitchen anyway…I have to go do that.

Hi there Ted,This is as fine a place as any to discuss when the Son was begotten…there are plenty of threads to choose from, LOL. I've just about been to all of them and it is of great interest to me and also key in many ways.As far as Melchizedek, that is somewhat of a mystery, I don't see Him as a theophany of the Son. I don't believe that…[Read more]

Hi Ted,I find it scriptural. Do you want to go here and discuss when the Son was begotten?https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=350

Quote (OneDay @ Nov. 17 2010,14:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,19:46)Welcome Joanna.Jesus told us to worship the Father.  It is who we have religious faith in as our Lord that should get our worship.  The Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, not two from different essences but the same essence.  Let your faith lead you in how you respond and un…[Read more]

Bump for Ted!Hi Ted,What do you think it means in Col 1:15 where the Son is the 'Firstborn of all creation?'

Hi Ted,Thanks, your position differs with mine on that and I suppose we can discuss that if you would like in a more appropriate thread like the one about when Jesus was begotten. The Nicene creed states that it was before the ages that He was begotten and there are scriptures that seem to support that. I do agree that pre-Jesus He was certainly…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:00)Marty,You posted a scripture where the angels worshiped Jesus. I don't believe I ever got your response to my question. Do you worship Jesus? Peace-MarkMarty,I am curious to your response on this also.Thanks!

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:26)Also, much ado is being made on splitting words and interpretations on worship, weather bowing or homage or civil etc etc.   That was covered by God himself.  Exodus 20 v3 You shall not have other Gods besides me.You shall not carve idols………..V5 YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE THEM OR WORSHIP THEM. FOR I T…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,07:14)” Mighty God, Father of Eternity”Seems to me it doesn't get much clearer than this. He is worthy of worship.Yes Mark,He is worthy of worship…and He gives eternal life to as many as receive Him. PTL

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 17 2010,07:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,15:16)Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 16 2010,15:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,07:24)Ted,What you call 'apparition' the early church father's called a theophany.Theophany: an appearance of God in visible form, temporary and not necessarily material. Such an appearance is to be…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 17 2010,01:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,15:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2010,22:25)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2010,14:15)Mike what intense feelings Kathi has, not to want to obey Christ and God s words.i is amazing it is an obsession,i wander what make her do that??it is not the truth that s for sure, God can not go…[Read more]