Quote (Baker @ Nov. 16 2010,08:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,16:46)Welcome Joanna.Jesus told us to worship the Father.  It is who we have religious faith in as our Lord that should get our worship.  The Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, not two from different essences but the same essence.  Let your faith lead you in how you respond and un…[Read more]

Hi theodorej,Is it all right with you if I call you Ted? Thanks for filling me in…I guess that I don't have to read your comments with a British accent anymore I really enjoy knowing more about people here on HN. Do you have children? Good for you to be married for 36 years and good for you to continue looking for a church. What is your…[Read more]

Welcome Joanna.Jesus told us to worship the Father. It is who we have religious faith in as our Lord that should get our worship. The Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, not two from different essences but the same essence. Let your faith lead you in how you respond and understand the idea of worship.No one has to tell people to worship money…it…[Read more]

Pierre,I see how both are involved in creation. You said that you can see Jesus as your Lord, is that in a religious sense or civil sense?Do you believe in Jesus as your Lord?Was He involved in creating the world?Is Jesus your Master?Have you seen the list of occurrences where Jesus receives worship/bowing down that I collected a while back, all…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,22:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,21:40)Marty and Pierre,Good verses Marty!  However there are several on here that think that if the word means kneeling down in front of, or bowing dow to, or doing obeisance then that would be ok to do to other gods.  No matter how you translate it, when it is an act of r…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,22:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,20:56)Also Mike,The Bible tells us not to 'bow down' to any graven image or idol or other gods.  You say that Jesus is a mighty god and you agree that He was bowed down to after being supernatural yet He did not admonish anyone who did that so for you to say that it is clear…[Read more]

Marty and Pierre,Good verses Marty! However there are several on here that think that if the word means kneeling down in front of, or bowing dow to, or doing obeisance then that would be ok to do to other gods. No matter how you translate it, when it is an act of religious worship as opposed to civil worship you may not do this to other…[Read more]

Also Mike,The Bible tells us not to 'bow down' to any graven image or idol or other gods. You say that Jesus is a mighty god and you agree that He was bowed down to after being supernatural yet He did not admonish anyone who did that so for you to say that it is clear that we worship no one but the Father is it not also clear that we are not to…[Read more]

Mike,You confuse civil worship with religious worship, what was done to Jesus was religious worship.

Sorry Pierre, I forgot about your question but I might point out that while you 'wonder' about my answer, your last post was criticizing that I was wondering about someone else's answer. Isn't that kind hypocritical…just sayin' is all.You asked what type of image is Christ. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation,…[Read more]

theodorej,I completely agree with what you wrote. Amen…I love to agree! Were you excommunicated because of your view on the trinity doctrine? You have me curious to know more about you. I picture you as a sophisticated englishman smoking a pipe…is it true Where do you live? Do you regularly attend a church now or how long has it been…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,20:52)Ah, but we are specifically told to honor him.  And we even know that all knees will bow to our King.Now, if only we were told to worship him, I'd be on board with you.  But since we have very clear and explicite orders about who to worship, I will follow my orders like a good soldier. mikeMike,Before the N…[Read more]

But Mike,Do we have explicite orders not to worship Jesus, or the Son of God, ya know, where His name is used? Surely God knew that millions would worship the Son with the Father yet He would only purposely tell us not to worship the angels but not Jesus? Show me where He tells us not to worship His Son like He told us about the angels.

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 15 2010,06:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,09:26)theodorej,I was wondering if these 2 Psalms 47 and 48 were Messianic, I will have to look further but I saw a commentary indicating that they are talking about Jesus.Psalm 47God the King of the Earth.For the choir director. A Psalm of the sons of Korah.    1O (A)clap y…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,22:26)Hi Kathi,Why can't you help with Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6 and John 1:3 without bringing the “Jesus is God” thing into play? You can start with your “image of God” scriptures.  No angel was ever said to be the “exact representation” of God Himself, were they?So many angles to attack from, so little me.  I'm a…[Read more]

Mike,And you have very adeptly pointed out to Kathi that if she doesn't think Jesus is God Almighty, then she worships him against what the scriptures teach.But Kathi does think that Jesus is who His Father is as the Son and image of the Father. If you follow your logic then you shouldn't even honor the Son for that would go against the…[Read more]

Mark,you asked:Quote Isn't it funny that God would not let Moses see his face? When Moses asked to see it he put him in a cleft of a rock and said he would pass, and he could see his glory, but not his face. He said “no man sees mee and lives”Yes, it is funny, God is soooo mysterious. It is also said that with Moses, God spoke face to face and…[Read more]

Hi Mark,Usually good to lightenup every once in a while! Love is key, truth is also key, the Bible says that love rejoices with the truth.1 John 3:1818 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. NASUTruth sets us free to love more, don't you think?Ps 90:1212 So teach us to number our days, That we may present…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,22:10)Hi Kathi,How did you move so fast from this:Quote Hi Mike,Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section. To this:Quote I desire now to discuss with those who agree on the worship of Jesus as the Son, not as the Father but as the Son and see Him as…[Read more]

Truly Pierre, God is the one that declared the Son His image…you give me too much credit. Are you doubting that the Son is the image of God now? Col 1:15