Hi there Ted,This is as fine a place as any to discuss when the Son was begotten…there are plenty of threads to choose from, LOL. I've just about been to all of them and it is of great interest to me and also key in many ways.As far as Melchizedek, that is somewhat of a mystery, I don't see Him as a theophany of the Son. I don't believe that…[Read more]

Hi Ted,I find it scriptural. Do you want to go here and discuss when the Son was begotten?https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=350

Quote (OneDay @ Nov. 17 2010,14:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,19:46)Welcome Joanna.Jesus told us to worship the Father.  It is who we have religious faith in as our Lord that should get our worship.  The Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, not two from different essences but the same essence.  Let your faith lead you in how you respond and un…[Read more]

Bump for Ted!Hi Ted,What do you think it means in Col 1:15 where the Son is the 'Firstborn of all creation?'

Hi Ted,Thanks, your position differs with mine on that and I suppose we can discuss that if you would like in a more appropriate thread like the one about when Jesus was begotten. The Nicene creed states that it was before the ages that He was begotten and there are scriptures that seem to support that. I do agree that pre-Jesus He was certainly…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:00)Marty,You posted a scripture where the angels worshiped Jesus. I don't believe I ever got your response to my question. Do you worship Jesus? Peace-MarkMarty,I am curious to your response on this also.Thanks!

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:26)Also, much ado is being made on splitting words and interpretations on worship, weather bowing or homage or civil etc etc.   That was covered by God himself.  Exodus 20 v3 You shall not have other Gods besides me.You shall not carve idols………..V5 YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE THEM OR WORSHIP THEM. FOR I T…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,07:14)” Mighty God, Father of Eternity”Seems to me it doesn't get much clearer than this. He is worthy of worship.Yes Mark,He is worthy of worship…and He gives eternal life to as many as receive Him. PTL

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 17 2010,07:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,15:16)Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 16 2010,15:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,07:24)Ted,What you call 'apparition' the early church father's called a theophany.Theophany: an appearance of God in visible form, temporary and not necessarily material. Such an appearance is to be…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 17 2010,01:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,15:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2010,22:25)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2010,14:15)Mike what intense feelings Kathi has, not to want to obey Christ and God s words.i is amazing it is an obsession,i wander what make her do that??it is not the truth that s for sure, God can not go…[Read more]

Pierre,Thanks for your info but still you provide no scripture to say that God will punish those who worship Jesus as His Son and no prophecies about it either. You do realize that you are not able to find even one.You said:1Ki 11:6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD? he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done. Da…[Read more]

I don't think that I have posted on this thread yet, but the thought came to me last night and I had remembered reading somebody's writings on this that seemed really smart to me, probably one of the church father's but the answer to the question is obvious.Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies.Everyone here has a spirit and everyone…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 16 2010,15:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2010,16:30)Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2010,02:05)Quote AND IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS HE SAYS “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE”.If another person who knows better, misapplies this scripture again, my head is going to explode.David,Don't explode, seek to understand:John 5:18 For this…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 16 2010,15:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,07:24)Ted,What you call 'apparition' the early church father's called a theophany.Theophany: an appearance of God in visible form, temporary and not necessarily material. Such an appearance is to be contrasted with the Incarnation, in which there was a permanent union between…[Read more]

Mike or Pierre,Show me one scripture where someone worshipped Jesus and God, the Father got mad at them and punished them. Show me one prophecy where this was to happen and make sure that Jesus/the Son of God/the Messiah is specifically identified. Or, stop all the hot air and accusations.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2010,22:25)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2010,14:15)Mike what intense feelings Kathi has, not to want to obey Christ and God s words.i is amazing it is an obsession,i wander what make her do that??it is not the truth that s for sure, God can not go against is own words.PierreI know Pierre.  And she thinks she is serving…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2010,21:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,16:46)There are vast examples of the Messiah receiving worshipThere are no instances in the whole of scripture where Jesus is worshipped.mikeMike,Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…that is religious proskuneo-ing no matter how you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2010,21:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,13:49)Mike,You confuse civil worship with religious worship, what was done to Jesus was religious worship.So now you're just going to make up words?  Did God distinguish between “civil worship” and “religious worship”?God said to only worship Him.'Jesus said to only worship…[Read more]

Ted,What you call 'apparition' the early church father's called a theophany.Theophany: an appearance of God in visible form, temporary and not necessarily material. Such an appearance is to be contrasted with the Incarnation, in which there was a permanent union between God and complete manhood (body, soul , and spirit) (Cross, The Oxford…[Read more]

Hi Ted,You said:Greetings Kathi…..I would think when you examine the Psalms you must keep in mind that Davids' focus was on the Eternal…The God of Abraham….Jesus hails from the house David…. Do you think that the Jehovah that talked with Abraham was the Word of God in form of a man? Genesis 18