Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2010,07:31)true but He tells Peter to feed HIS sheep, He doesn't say to feed His Father's sheep but His sheep.Does Jesus refer to the ones that his God has given him out of the world?Scriptures say “Yes”.  In fact, Jesus says, “they were yours, but you gave them to me.”mikeMike,I…[Read more]

This strange message board gets stranger and stranger, LOL.

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,17:07)LU,You say that Jesus delivering the message of God, would be called a Messenger, but not a Messenger like the Angels are called Messengers.Why?A Messenger is a Messenger.A Messenger Angel is an Angel delivering a message from GodJesus was a Messenger Angel and delivered the word of God.Why do you create a…[Read more]

Sure Ted…take all the time you need and I am relieved that you clearly said that Jesus was not an angel.Enjoy your reading!

JA,I think we are all learning how to formulate our questions better because of being here. I learned how to improve my question in my poll that I made. I even had to have my first attempt deleted. I see your point of the title question here but I also see beyond the words to the intent and that is what we ought to do instead of picking…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2010,15:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2010,13:59)Pierre,Do you not serve Christ?Kathiwhat Christ says is to serve his father just like he did,that is why he gives his live ,so we would beable to serve God the father of Christ,this is what reconciliation means,but the reconciliation is with the Father,Christ being the…[Read more]

Quote (OneDay @ Nov. 17 2010,15:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,09:41)Quote (OneDay @ Nov. 17 2010,14:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,19:46)Welcome Joanna.Jesus told us to worship the Father.  It is who we have religious faith in as our Lord that should get our worship.  The Father is Lord, Jesus is Lord, not two from different essences b…[Read more]

But Pierre,Christ says to worship His Father, true and to serve His Father, true but He tells Peter to feed HIS sheep, He doesn't say to feed His Father's sheep but His sheep. I think we should be just as motivated to serve the Son alone as we are to serve the Father alone. Do you serve the Son because of the glory it gives to the Father or do…[Read more]

Pierre,Do you not serve Christ?

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:29)Kathi:Jesus is my Lord, and so, as the word “worship” applies to someone of superior rank, then I would “worship” him as he is the King of Kings, and the Lord of lords, but not as God.  When I obey him, I am obeying God.Quote Lexicon Results Strong's G4352 – proskyneō προσκυνέωTransliterationproskyneō…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,05:34)Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 17 2010,05:00)Marty,You posted a scripture where the angels worshiped Jesus. I don't believe I ever got your response to my question. Do you worship Jesus? Peace-MarkMarty,I am curious to your response on this also.Thanks!Hi Kathi and Mark:I thought I…[Read more]

Shimmer in the context of creation, the Son of God is not expressed by God as another person but as His outstretched Arm.

Ok Ted but you continue to call Jesus an angel and I guess that is confusing me. In the story of Abraham, two of the 'men,' who we find out in the next chapter are definitely angels, were going on ahead and Abraham was left talking with the third 'man' and this is the account:22Then (W)the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2010,16:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2010,14:40)Marty and Pierre,Good verses Marty!  However there are several on here that think that if the word means kneeling down in front of, or bowing dow to, or doing obeisance then that would be ok to do to other gods.  No matter how you translate it, when it is an act of r…[Read more]

Should the question be:Was the Son of God always superior to the angels until He was lowered for a little whiles below the angels? The answer is YES to that question!

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 18 2010,08:15)Kathi…. Gen:18…. The three men that appeared were angels….It was abraham who addressed them as a group or was speaking to one  as lord and in those days the term Lord refered to Jehovah and that name refered only to God…I can see how this could be construed as a physical gathering involving a face to…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 18 2010,07:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,07:37)Hi there Ted,This is as fine a place as any to discuss when the Son was begotten…there are plenty of threads to choose from, LOL.  I've just about been to all of them and it is of great interest to me and also key in many ways.As far as Melchizedek, that is somewhat of…[Read more]

JA,I believe that firstborn means first to be born, not first over all created beings. The Hebrews understood a firstborn as one that was the first of the Father's procreative strength.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,17:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2010,04:43)Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies.Everyone here has a spirit and everyone here has a body, so yes, spirits dwell in bodies…there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and they contain spirit.Hi Kathi,That's also how Gene sees it, and I concur.  But…[Read more]

Ted,I found you at “eternally begotten” and we can discuss there when you return from the 'library' No hurry! I have to design a kitchen anyway…I have to go do that.