Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2009,22:37)Trinitarians believe that the Holy Spirit is a separate “being” of the triune God.  I suggest this was not the message of scriptures.  It is never mentioned of the Spirit as being the “third person of the trinity” anywhere in scriptures.  As Michael L. Brown says in Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus,” p. 53…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2010,22:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2010,19:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,11:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,08:13)Pierre,Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Hi Kathi,I have to agree with Pierre on this one.  It w…[Read more]

So, I will respond to that PM here.Edj said:Quote You are starting up your negative posturing again.But Edj do you not acknowledge that you make derogatory comments about me to others, stemming from you not liking that I accused you of hacking up my post?  Do you not acknowledge the one most recently made which I quoted above?  I don't believe t…[Read more]

Here is a PM from Edj to me that I received today.  I want to not discuss this through pm's as I have said before because I believe it will help Edj be more honest.  I take no delight in exposing any faults but I do believe there needs to be accountability especially since Edj keeps making derogatory remarks stemming back to this incident as l…[Read more]

Mike,Regarding 'eternal essence:'We find the term 'essence/nature' here:The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. NASB ©biblegateway Heb 1:3And He is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,08:13)Pierre,Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Hi Kathi,I have to agree with Pierre on this one.  It would seem that being immortal and having a heavenly body does not make one “perfect” and mean they obey all of God's c…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 29 2010,04:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,18:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,06:19)His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality.  The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die.  The human essence o…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2010,14:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,01:11)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2010,01:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,00:14)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13)Pierre,Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Gal 5:18-2318 But if…[Read more]

JA,Sometimes I listen to near death experiences and from what they say that experience them is that they see themselves as having bodies but they are somewhat different. For instance they can take their arm and it can go through their bodies. I picture something like a hologram.

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2010,01:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,00:14)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13)Pierre,Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Gal 5:18-2318 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,06:19)His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality.  The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die.  The human essence of Christ died.Hi Kathi,All I know is that Jesus died the same way other men d…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13)Pierre,Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Gal 5:18-2318 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry,…[Read more]

Pierre,Interesting question. We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.Gal 5:18-2318 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2010,18:31)Kathi:Quote Why must the Son be a result of creation and not the result of being begotten by God as in an offspring with the eternal essence of His Father?Jesus IS the begotten Son of God Kathi.  And like I've said many times, when I begot my son, with the help of God I CREATED a new life where there was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2010,18:31)Kathi:Quote Why are you not understanding that it is entirely possible that the word in Rev 3:14 is ruler and not beginning?I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14.  I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though.  It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly w…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 24 2010,20:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2010,07:09)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2010,01:50)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 24 2010,14:03)I used to.  Untill you went against me. Mike, all this does is confuse you and your thinking, taking you away from what you know and what works for you. I learnt that.Hi Shimmer,You mean she's went against…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2010,12:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2010,13:51)Mike,When Jesus mentioned that about men being called gods He was making a comparison between men being called gods and Himself, the Only begotten god being called god.  His point was…how much more would the only begotten god, i.e. the Son of God, be called god if mere…[Read more]

Mike,You said in the 'was Jesus superior' thread to JA:Quote Arche does not have anything to do with “wicked” or “righteous” JA. It simply means “ruler”. So here's the question:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=460And then you cannot seem to accept Rev 3:14 when the same word that you claim to mean 'ruler' is used, 'arche' you insist on…[Read more]

Mike,When Jesus mentioned that about men being called gods He was making a comparison between men being called gods and Himself, the Only begotten god being called god. His point was…how much more would the only begotten god, i.e. the Son of God, be called god if mere men are called that. That is the way I read it.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2010,10:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2010,13:51)Does the only begotten god pray to your God?Does the only begotten god sit at the right hand of God?Is the only begotten god the exact representation of God's nature?Is the only begotten god the image of God?Does the begotten god have a kingdom with God in heaven?Do you…[Read more]