Pierre,As far as man goes, man cannot give any material things to God that God doesn't already own. But man can give his allegiance to God…man does have a choice in that. So, God is dependent on man only in the man's choice to choose God to be his God. God has a righteous jealousy towards us. He wants the best for us and wants to protect and…[Read more]

Pierre,That verse does not say that He is the first-created over all creation.This is my understanding of it…He is the firstborn of God and is over all creation, thus, the 'firstborn over all creation.'See the difference?Good night Pierre!Kathi

Pierre,This part of your comment was what I thought was incorrect: “God is a giver not a taker,…”Now you seem to retract that idea knowing that we can give God our love and that gives God glory. Therefore He receives, or takes that love from us that we want to give Him.As you know, I do not agree that the Son was created. The Son was the…[Read more]

Pierre,Then according to you, God does not receive love from us because He is not a 'taker' as you say.

It is my pleasure, Irene. I hope you can get some sleep and have a sweet dream.Love, Kathi

Mike,So many questions… you said:Quote Mark 10:27Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”Who do you think Jesus was referring to as “God” in this scripture, Kathi?God would be the Father who was inseparable from His Son and their Spirit. Quote Why would the vessel God cho…[Read more]

Pierre,you said:Quote SO ONE GOD ,ONE PERSON,CHRIST THE SON ONE PERSON SEPARATE AND CREATED WAY AFTER ??TIME??BUT IS HIS FIRST CREATION.We disagree here and so we come to different conclusions. I think that the Son always existed, first within the Father and then begotten from within before creation.

So sorry Irene to hear of how miserable you are feeling. I hate that you have to go through this. I will pray for a quick turn-a-round. Maybe your medicine is causing the nausea. Sometimes that is a side effect. Read through the side effects.Dear Father God please bless Irene with your grace and comfort. Wrap your loving arms around her and…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ June 14 2011,17:30)Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2011,01:00)Irene,Where in these articles does it use the words that says Christ is equal to Almighty God?KathiKATHI!  I did not read those articles, only what you are saying.  And what you are  saying is not according to Scriptures. Did I say I don't believe what the Apostles are sa…[Read more]

Hi t8,you said:Quote Once you understand this, then you can read those 3 pages and understand that God from God is a being of divine nature from the Divine himself. It is not meant to be taken that they are the same God being, just as Eve is not the same being as Adam, but is in like adam/mankind, i.e., having the same nature.I have understood…[Read more]

Irene,Where in these articles does it use the words that says Christ is equal to Almighty God?Kathi

John 1:18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

This next historical ancient Syriac document is about Barsamya, the Christian Bishop that led the priest of idols named Sharbil, to Christ. The last document that I put up was about him (on page 5 of this thread).Further, the Martyrdom of Barsamya,(1)the Bishop of the Blessed City Edessa.In the year four hundred and sixteen of the kingdom of the…[Read more]

Sorry to hear this has happened, and so soon. I will pray for the people affected by this, t8. Thanks for drawing attention to it.Kathi

Can anyone show me scripture that the Father could eternally save us apart from the Son?  If He can save us only because of the Son, then the Father is mightier and more capable BECAUSE of His connection with the Son then apart from the Son.Can the Father dwell within believers apart from His Holy Spirit?If not, then the Holy Spirit causes the…[Read more]

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Romans 9:5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Of course a good place to start is with John 1:1-4:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

This space is reserved for future outstanding quotes that get listed here. Let me know if you think a quote in this thread is especially outstanding and should be added here for easy reference.

Here is a compilation of the several passages and/or scriptural reasonings that suggest that Jesus Christ is deity.  This list may continue to grow as more passages are added.Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.   Mark 1…[Read more]