Irene,Quote If you are going to start to accuse me of this Scripture or some like it, I am done with debating you….. That is not what a Christians should do….either stop, or I will stop….get it Kathi…. Now, that sounds like a threat to me that says “If you are going to disagree with me, well then that is not what Christians should do and…[Read more]

You are welcome Irene, it made me cry too and my son who was still at home packing to go, gave me a big hug and said that he would be back before I knew it. He is safe and sound and enjoying his new adventure. Thanks for praying for him. I know what you mean about your baby boy even though he is almost 50. I guess they will always be that wide…[Read more]

The Father gave the flesh body life, not the pre-existent person who always existed. The flesh body didn't always exist, the pre-existent person did.

Irene,You write firstborn but then you try to say that it is first created. The reason you give is Rev 3:14 which has the word arche' which you say means 'first' but it really means 'ruler' here. NIV”To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.Col 1:16…[Read more]

Mike,Look at what you said:Quote If you are reading “el” or “elohim” in the Hebrew Scriptures, then be prepared for “god” to refer to Jehovah, one of his angels, a demon, or even a human being. And accept it for what it is and how they used the word back then.You even state that the word sometimes translated as God/god refers to…and then you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,00:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,23:07)Mike,Many can be called gods because someone or something is being worshiped.  That is not by God's design, he is against this.Explain, “ye are gods, you are all sons of the Most High God”.And:“All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols–worship him, all…[Read more]

Irene,You have asked me this:Quote Kathi! What do I believe that is wrong? Yes, I believe according to Scriptures that Jehovah is Jesus Fathers name ALONE…. Is that what you mean???IreneFor starters, you believe that 'firstborn' means 'first created' which it does not.Kathi

Irene,I will answer you here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….957;r=1Peace,Kathi

So many here believe that Jesus is just 'a god' to serve and bow down to and not worship. Let's see if serving and bowing down to 'a god' is allowed, ok?Here we see that serving and bowing down to another gods is not allowed, in fact this makes God very angry. 2 Kings 17:35 with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, “You shall…[Read more]

Mike,I am not going to post in the debates for a while…I have a big kitchen design and wedding and school stuff coming up. I will pick back up with this at a later time Peace, Kathi

Mike,Where in scriptures does it specifically say that God created the god satan or the god of Ekron, or the gods of Egypt. Also, can you think of a higher Son than the Only Begotten Son? If not, that would make the Only Begotten Son the Most High Son or the Most High Only Begotten Son (same thing) wouldn't it?Quote Please actually ADDRESS these…[Read more]

Mikeboll64Quote You acknowledge that Jesus was the god who was with THE God in John 1:1. So you're okay with Jesus being A god who is NOT the Father because Jesus is “good”.No way, that is not what I acknowledge. A small g…where have I ever said that??Jehovah Most High is the Father and the Son. There is Jehovah Most High Father, Jehovah as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2011,18:48)Hi Kathi,I don't know if you ever answered this question:If the Unity of the Father and Son is “Jehovah”, and we know the Son has the PERSONAL NAME of “Jesus”, what is the Father's PERSONAL NAME?They have many names…Jehovah is common to both of them. Like the word 'church' again…there is one church, yet…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2011,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,22:03)Mike,I analyzed the Greek of John 17:12 which says this:”While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.The pronoun 'which'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2011,18:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,21:36)Mike,He likely got that name when He was begotten before creation.  Not being given a name does not mean one does not exist.Perhaps not Kathi,But it DOES mean that “Jehovah” didn't ALWAYS consist of both the Father AND the Son, right?  Because at one time, the Son a…[Read more]

Mike,It is quite clear that Jehovah is not the maker of these 'gods.'Ezekial 16:17 You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and youmade for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with themLeviticus 18:21 “'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in any scripture to suggest that Satan, or the gods of Egypt etc, were anything other than exactly what Jehovah Himself called them.Jehovah had more scriptures for me to put up.Deuteronomy 4:35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the Jehovah is God; besides him there is no…[Read more]

Thanks Irene, I appreciate it. I fixed the link.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2011,20:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,23:38)Mike,Quote Kathi, can you show me any SCRIPTURAL evidence, proof, or even an inkling that Satan is less than a real, bonafide god?'Seriously, Mike, you think that satan is a real bonafide god now?  Wow, I'll bet your 'bonafide god' is ready to give you and the peanut…[Read more]

Just being truthful and respectful, not holding on to bitterness, t8.