Mike, The context talks about 'eating' Him and that refers to His flesh body.NASB ©”As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.1 Cor 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way…[Read more]

Irene,Here the scriptures say that Jesus had all power when He was resurrected:16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye…[Read more]

Hi Happyman,Jesus was begotten before creation, He was not created. You are right that His flesh was given life by His Father…it was when His body was conceived in the womb of Mary.

Irene,I will agree to consider the KJV but also the other translations, not the KJV only. If the KJV is correct then the original language should prove that out. We don't need to be afraid of looking at newer translations…they are translated from older manuscripts which are more reliable. The closer the manuscript is to the event, the more…[Read more]

Pierre,Do the scriptures say that the fleshly body always lived? If not, then it was given life at some point.Kathi

That is right Pierre which makes the case for the unity speaking and acting as one.Kathi

Irene,Quote If you are going to start to accuse me of this Scripture or some like it, I am done with debating you….. That is not what a Christians should do….either stop, or I will stop….get it Kathi…. Now, that sounds like a threat to me that says “If you are going to disagree with me, well then that is not what Christians should do and…[Read more]

You are welcome Irene, it made me cry too and my son who was still at home packing to go, gave me a big hug and said that he would be back before I knew it. He is safe and sound and enjoying his new adventure. Thanks for praying for him. I know what you mean about your baby boy even though he is almost 50. I guess they will always be that wide…[Read more]

The Father gave the flesh body life, not the pre-existent person who always existed. The flesh body didn't always exist, the pre-existent person did.

Irene,You write firstborn but then you try to say that it is first created. The reason you give is Rev 3:14 which has the word arche' which you say means 'first' but it really means 'ruler' here. NIV”To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.Col 1:16…[Read more]

Mike,Look at what you said:Quote If you are reading “el” or “elohim” in the Hebrew Scriptures, then be prepared for “god” to refer to Jehovah, one of his angels, a demon, or even a human being. And accept it for what it is and how they used the word back then.You even state that the word sometimes translated as God/god refers to…and then you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,00:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,23:07)Mike,Many can be called gods because someone or something is being worshiped.  That is not by God's design, he is against this.Explain, “ye are gods, you are all sons of the Most High God”.And:“All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols–worship him, all…[Read more]

Irene,You have asked me this:Quote Kathi! What do I believe that is wrong? Yes, I believe according to Scriptures that Jehovah is Jesus Fathers name ALONE…. Is that what you mean???IreneFor starters, you believe that 'firstborn' means 'first created' which it does not.Kathi

Irene,I will answer you here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….957;r=1Peace,Kathi

So many here believe that Jesus is just 'a god' to serve and bow down to and not worship. Let's see if serving and bowing down to 'a god' is allowed, ok?Here we see that serving and bowing down to another gods is not allowed, in fact this makes God very angry. 2 Kings 17:35 with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, “You shall…[Read more]

Mike,I am not going to post in the debates for a while…I have a big kitchen design and wedding and school stuff coming up. I will pick back up with this at a later time Peace, Kathi

Mike,Where in scriptures does it specifically say that God created the god satan or the god of Ekron, or the gods of Egypt. Also, can you think of a higher Son than the Only Begotten Son? If not, that would make the Only Begotten Son the Most High Son or the Most High Only Begotten Son (same thing) wouldn't it?Quote Please actually ADDRESS these…[Read more]

Mikeboll64Quote You acknowledge that Jesus was the god who was with THE God in John 1:1. So you're okay with Jesus being A god who is NOT the Father because Jesus is “good”.No way, that is not what I acknowledge. A small g…where have I ever said that??Jehovah Most High is the Father and the Son. There is Jehovah Most High Father, Jehovah as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2011,18:48)Hi Kathi,I don't know if you ever answered this question:If the Unity of the Father and Son is “Jehovah”, and we know the Son has the PERSONAL NAME of “Jesus”, what is the Father's PERSONAL NAME?They have many names…Jehovah is common to both of them. Like the word 'church' again…there is one church, yet…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2011,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2011,22:03)Mike,I analyzed the Greek of John 17:12 which says this:”While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.The pronoun 'which'…[Read more]