Pierre,If the first Adam is not allegorically earthy, the second Adam is not allegorically the man from heaven. Adam is literally 'earthy' and the second Adam is literally the 'man from heaven.'Being supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost would make one a 'man from heaven.'I said:”And there could be more than one Jehovah in different places…[Read more]

Pierre,The man from heaven is a man. Men are flesh. This particular 'man' has an incarnated nature of both the pre-existent Son and the man from heaven. Two natures, two roles…one in the purpose-to glorify the Father.kathi

Quote How many Jesuses do you think there are, Kathi? Because JESUS calls Jehovah “my God”. And you can't come close to scripturally proving your asinine notion that it is only the “man nature” of Jesus who calls Jehovah “my God”, while the “God nature” of Jesus is part OF the One who is being called “my God” BY the “man nature” of Jesus.There…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote But I'm happy you are no longer denying that Jesus and Satan are both gods that the God OF gods is the God OFWhere have I ever agreed to this. I totally deny this.The Father is the God of the 'man' from heaven, not the pre-existent Son who was incarnated with the 'man' from heaven.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2011,23:26)KathiQuote Like the church:The unity of the body of Christ is called the church and the individual localized body of Christ is also called a church.Church = congregation = many many,people this does not show unity unless you called their spirit ,heart,and mind a unity ?Quote There are two Jehovah's within the…[Read more]

Jehovah is the God of everything and Jehovah is both the Father and the Son, Mike. Jehovah is the God of the 'man from heaven' not the pre-existent Son but the 'man from heaven' that the pre-existent Son was incarnated with. Jehovah is both the Father and the pre-existent Son. In some context Jehovah is the Father and in other contexts Jehovah…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2011,13:16)John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. What does this mean?  There is truly only one name under heaven through which we can gain everlasting life.  So I accept that I may someday live BECAUSE OF Jesus Christ.  It is he…[Read more]

Mike,The bread of God is the 'man' from heaven.  In the above post add 'the man from heaven' and it goes like this:35 Then Jesus declared, “I the man from heaven, am the bread of life. He who comes to me, the man from heaven, will never go hungry, and he who believes in me, the man from heaven, will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you ha…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2011,22:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2011,21:37)Mike,you said:Quote WHO exalted Jesus, Kathi?  WHO GAVE him the name above every name?  And WHO will we confess Jesus as?  Lord?  Or God?  And to WHOSE glory will we do this?The Father exalts the Son who previously lowered HIMSELF.  Since He lowered HIMSELF He had taken…[Read more]

Mike,The Father being the God of gods does not mean that these gods are his children, it means that the Father is the God…of everything! The Son is the Lord of everything. Jehovah is both of them…God and Lord.

Mike,you said:Quote WHO exalted Jesus, Kathi?  WHO GAVE him the name above every name?  And WHO will we confess Jesus as?  Lord?  Or God?  And to WHOSE glory will we do this?The Father exalts the Son who previously lowered HIMSELF.  Since He lowered HIMSELF He had taken on an additional identity.  We confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2011,22:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:59)Mike,If God called satan the god of anything it is simply because satan exalted himself and demands worship.So then God accepted this self-exaltation and started to refer to Satan as the god that he made himself to be?Yes, Mike. God certainly acknowledges satan as the…[Read more]

Mike,The first Adam's body was from the earth, 'earthy,' the second Adam was not.47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.God in heaven prepared His body within Mary after the Holy Spirit from heaven conceived the body within her. The second 'man' is from heaven.Kathi

Mike,Deborah was a judge, not a god. We are never to bow down to a god Mike. Scripture is clear on this.2 Kings 17:35 with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, “You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them.Kathi

Mike,If God called satan the god of anything it is simply because satan exalted himself and demands worship. God agrees that satan exalted himself and is demanding worship and therefore calls him a god. The gods of Egypt are referred to as their gods not 'His' gods. He did not make anyone gods, the gods made themselves gods. End of fairy…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2011,21:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2011,21:54)They will worship Christ…every knee will bow whether it be in heaven or on earth.They will do obeisance to Christ, and worship the same God that Christ himself worships and calls “my God”.  (Hint, he says that his God is the same God as our God.  That fits right in w…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote When Jehovah called Satan the god of Ekron, did He LIE? I have alread answered this:Quote I never said that he is not called a god, however, that no way means that he was made to be a god.

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2011,19:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2011,08:57)Pierre,Do the scriptures say that the fleshly body always lived?  If not, then it was given life at some point.KathiKathidid you heard that the soul that sins is the one that dies ?so the soul that not sins will live ,as simple as thatPierrePierre,I asked you if the…[Read more]

No Irene and Mike, Eating His body is not literal, it is symbolic. Jesus compares His body as our bread. His flesh body was from heaven because His Father prepared a body for Him. It is clear that we are to 'eat' His flesh body in a figurative way and that goes along with your topic verse. Mike, I don't know what you mean when you say it seems…[Read more]

Mike, The context talks about 'eating' Him and that refers to His flesh body.NASB ©”As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.1 Cor 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way…[Read more]