Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,19:44)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 27 2011,11:35)Mike is either insane or just too proud to admit that his theology is contradictory. If God begat Jesus, then Jesus is God's kind. This means that if Christ is an angel, then God is an angel.KJ, angels are spirits and God is a spirit.So angels are of God, they probably share…[Read more]

Mike,That translation is in error.  The Lord Jesus Christ is written in the nominative case which means that it is a subject, not an object of a preposition that your translation would require.Kathi

So, what we have are several translations that translate Rev 3:14 as the 'beginning of the creation of God' and several that imply a rulership or originator.Reading Barnes' Notes about it may be helpful to you:Barnes' Notes on the BibleAnd unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write – See the notes on Revelation 1:20.These things saith…[Read more]

Irene,Here are more translations of Rev 3:14:New International Version (©1984)”To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.International Standard Version (©2008)”To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful a…[Read more]

Hi Irene,you said:Quote Jesus is in Heaven right now seated at the right hand of His father. Jesus will begin His rule of the Kingdom when He returns….. Having power and ruling is two different things to me….These verses seem to tell us differently, Jesus reigns in His kingdom now and will reign in a fuller sense when He returns and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,17:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 25 2011,11:23)Hmmm…Let's see, 2 Corinthians was written by Paul, right.  So did he preach the unity of the Father and the Son?2 Thess 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17comfort and…[Read more]

Irene,you said:Quote Being united in their believes, does not qualify Jesus to be called JehovahThe Father and the Son are united in far more than their beliefs.  They have the same peace, same grace, same truth, same love, same power, same wisdom, same nature, both are our savior, both are our creator, both are with believers and in believers…[Read more]

Thank you Jack!

Here is a verse for all you that believe that Jesus is a mere man:Galaians 1:1 Paul, an apostle–sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead–Paul was not sent from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ…

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 24 2011,23:22)2 Corinthians 11:3-43 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit y…[Read more]

Ok, so I read through Mike's, Irene's and t8's posts and suffice it to say…no one seems to understand:1. How a compound unity has more than one person in it, hence one can be the father of the other. The 'other' does not need to be the 'father' of himself.2. A compound unity is both plural AND singular depending on if one is emphasizing the…[Read more]

I came across this passage yesterday and I looked at the morphology of the words to find out that all the verbs are written in the singular form even though there is a compound subject.  More evidence of the unity of the Father and the Son acting as a compound unity, i.e. acting as one.2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself…[Read more]

Irene,Jehovah is ONE as in the word 'echad' in Hebrew which can mean a unity of more than one. If the writer meant one as in a singular number then another Hebrew word 'yachid' would be more appropriately used. I believe in scripture and believe that echad is a unity here…the NT shows that to be true. The unity has two persons within this…[Read more]

Pierre,Why do you deny this scripture here:47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy…[Read more]

t8 said,Quote The one true God is the Father of all, even of his son.The Father is the God of the 'man from heaven' not the pre-existent Son from heaven that was incarnate with the 'man' from heaven.The Father is the Father of the pre-existent Son, not the God of the pre-existent Son. He is only 'God' to the 'man from heaven' part of Jesus, not…[Read more]

Pierre,You are twisting the scriptures and not just accepting them for what they say. We are not to lean on our own understanding. You take what is literal and make it allegorical. You can see in Gen 18 that Jehovah IS on earth and face to face with Abraham and you say that He is not on earth. Why? Because you are not understanding that the…[Read more]

t8 said this:Quote Satan is the theos of this world because he is the Father (Originator) of it. He is also the father of murderers etc.That is preposterous to say that satan is the originator/Father of this world. Are you in the business of exalting satan to creator now? Jehovah is not satan, t8. Jehovah created the world.The scripture says…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2011,00:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:15)40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in himthe man from heaven, shall have eternal life, and Ithe man from heaven, will raise him up at the last day.”Guess what Kathi?  NEVER does scripture EVER imply, hint at, or say that Jesus ever…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2011,00:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 23 2011,22:59)Pierre,The man from heaven is a man.  Men are flesh.   This particular 'man' has an incarnated nature of both the pre-existent Son and the man from heaven.  Two natures, two roles…one in the purpose-to glorify the Father.kathiKathiNO,NO their is no scripture to su…[Read more]

Mike,The intended way:Just as the living Father sent me, the man from heaven, and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.He is the 'man from heaven' because the Holy Spirit supernaturally conceived Him in Mary.  An earthly man did not conceive Him.I have already shown you that it is the flesh body of…[Read more]