Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 04 2011,16:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2011,06:06)Bumped to Paul's attention, since his sister Kathi is scared to comment on these scriptures because she KNOWS what they teach.Mike,Kathi ain't scared  of you or anyone. So stop being a child. Unlike you she has a life outside of HN. We are friends by email and I…[Read more]

Jack,Good post with a lot of examples.I have not studied enough to comment as to whether every use of 'kurios' means YHVH but I do see that it often seems to be.What about this passage, I see YHVH as saying something that Jesus has said about Himself being 'the resurrection and the life' and that no one can snatch us out of His hand.Deut…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,09:51)Here is where anyone can post a verse or passage from the Bible, that demonstrates more than one person or thing acting and/or speaking as one.This is not a thread for discussion but to collect verses that show a plural subject, or compound subject, or more than one person as a group performing an action that…[Read more]

Thanks Paul! Glory to God, Paul's back

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 02 2011,21:21)Mike,I would like you to delete it please.  You are discussing a scripture already posted.  This is not a thread for discussions.Thanks.Just post a new scripture here Mike, no discussion on another that was posted. Please delete your post. Thanks, Kathi

Here is another compound unity, the temple in the city of Heaven is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. The two are one temple.Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.Interesting how the believer's make up the body of Christ, the church and the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb make…[Read more]

Mike,I just showed you.John 8:24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.””I AM” needs to be on your list That is what you are asking for, one verse that shows His equality to God.Kathi

Mike,you asked me to prove this last sentence to be incorrect:Quote In no case does “firstborn” mean that the firstborn did not have a beginning, or that the firstborn is not included in the group of which he is firstborn.In no case does “firstborn” mean the one born began at the moment of birth.In no case does “firstborn” tell us about how lon…[Read more]

John 8:24 is mistranslated. Earlier manuscripts do not have the added words. You knew that probably though didn't you.John 8:24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”You are interested in truth, right? Choose newer translations over the KJV when you see that they have…[Read more]

Mike,I don't have much time right now. Maybe Paul can address your points here.Kathi

t8,Who is saying that Jesus is the Lord of/over God? I am saying that Jesus is Jehovah with the Father not over the Father.God made the man part of Jesus many things, including Lord and Christ. The divine, pre-existing part of Jesus was Lord already. He was the creator with the Father after all.Also, we aren't saying that there is more than one…[Read more]

Ok Shimmer, you are welcome

Mike,I would like you to delete it please. You are discussing a scripture already posted. This is not a thread for discussions.Thanks.

Shimmer,God knows the answer to the question, you can be assured of that. In His time He will tell you if you seek to know and listen with an open heart. For me it gradually came within a few days and then more and more for a month for a significant part. After that, more and more understanding has come even 18 years later.Don't be…[Read more]

Shimmer,Ok, thanks for your honest reply.Now, since you are in a window of time where you are feeling that love…would you consider asking God to show you if His Son was created out of nothing or was He begotten from within Him before creation and see if He would be so gracious to show you this.In my opinion, God wants to reveal that truth. He…[Read more]

Ok, take your time Shimmer.

Shimmer,Thanks for your answer.Another question. You said that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and that was what God revealed to you. Can you tell me how God revealed that to you? Was it by reading the verse that you wrote in your post and then you just accepted it as truth, or was it in a different manner?Kathi

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,09:51)Here is where anyone can post a verse or passage from the Bible, that demonstrates more than one person or thing acting and/or speaking as one.This is not a thread for discussion but to collect verses that show a plural subject, or compound subject, or more than one person as a group performing an action that…[Read more]

Ok, shimmer, thanks for sharing.I would like to ask you one thing about what you shared. You say that Jesus told you to look up verses. If I remember right, you believe that Jesus is a created angel. How can Jesus be just a created angel and not deity and tell you things when He isn't in the room, visibly? How can He be telling people things…[Read more]

Irene,You say this in this thread:Quote Making remarks about others believes is uncalled forand then you said this in another thread:Quote Nobody insulted you, only your doctrine….https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20So which is it Irene…it is ok for you to insult another's doctrine if you and your buddies are the insulter? Are you…[Read more]