Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.Very interesting fact about the above scripture is this:”For thy Maker is thine husband – Both these words, 'maker' and 'husband,' in the Hebrew are in the plural number. But the form is…[Read more]

Two that are ONE Mike. You leave that 'that are ONE' out conveniently? Do you desire to deceive and mislead?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2011,18:35)Hi Kathi,I'm sorry to hear about your friend's tragic loss.  You have missed the point of this thread because I, like an idiot, once again titled one of my threads with misleading words.  The OP shows the intention of this thread, but you sure wouldn't know if from the title I gave it.  I will transfer my OP…[Read more]

Irene,Quote According to you I dished out the accusation that Jesus was created…. However I give Scripture with it…… That it not the accusation that I directed you to that I wanted you to prove, it was the one about me not participating in Mike's thread because I was afraid to discuss scriptures and also that I invented the compound unity of…[Read more]

Irene,Why do you think I put up all those scriptures about the deity of Christ, so that I could prove He wasn't deity? If He is deity, He is eternal.Now about proving things, you have some proving to do here:second and third post down:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….9;st=20Go ahead Irene, prove your accusations…or apologize, I am patiently…[Read more]

Yes, Irene, I believe that Jesus always did exist.Kathi

Hi Paul,The Firstborn of Col 1:15 had to exist as the 'firstborn' before all things were created by Him, so He was born before the ages. The Nicene Creed agrees with this, so does the Chalcedonian Creed and the Anathasian Creed.Nicene Creed:Traditional WordingI believe in one God,the Father Almighty,maker of heaven and earth,and of all things…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I know that because he was born at all, it means he had a beginning.You appraise supernatural birth by natural birth understandings and you can't derive laws of the supernatural from the laws of the natural.  Quote Jesus is the Son OF God because he is the Son OF God.  The words “Son OF God” never, ever mean “God the Son”.  Don't yo…[Read more]

Mike,All fathers by default had a beginning and did not exist at one point, so therefore, by your default logic, the Heavenly Father did not exist at one point? Why compare the supernatural to the natural? Created was not used in reference to the Son, ever, except that all things were created through Him.Scripture tells us that Jesus was the…[Read more]

Pierre,Jesus is both…God and man. He had a God the Father who begat Him before the ages and He had a mother that begat Him as a man.Kathi

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 07 2011,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2011,03:25)If the eternal Light begets more Light, that begotten Light was always there, just not brought forth until the right time.Think about it. Huge assumption and no scriptural backing.We know that Jesus came from God, but you are saying that he always was, which is different.John…[Read more]

Interesting Jack,Quote Again, the text they used says “Christ” but they omitted it and substituted “Jehovah” in its place.I wonder why they did that.Is it your opinion that the Father is not called YHVH but only the Son is?Kathi

Jack,So when you say “Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Being.” Are you indicating that YHVH is one who is? Or are you saying that YHVH is one person? Or one existence? I am not sure what you mean when you say 'one Being.' Can you help me here to understand you?Thanks,Kathi

Hi Jack,I don't find the word 'being' in the Hebrew text. YHVH is written twice in the Hebrew text. I don't think your translation is the best.I think the better translation would be either:Hear, Israel: Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one:orHear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;I don't know Hebrew grammar so is Jehovah the subject of a…[Read more]

Pierre, A son of man is another one who is man.A son of God is another one who is God.That is what was meant by Charles, I think, and that is what I agree with.Kathi

Mike,The word born is only a dead giveaway to Him being a Son and that He has a Father. That is as far as you can take that. You can't know how long He existed before He was born merely by the idea that He was born.Jesus is God, the Son because He is the Son of God, the Father. Since they are both deity beings, they are both most high in their…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2011,14:03)Bump for Kathi, invite for Paul:Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2011,08:18)Jehovah is both God and Lord, Irene.Psalm 110:1 Jehovah says to my Lord:   “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies   a footstool for your feet.”Kathi, if Jesus is a part of "Jehovah", then who is the "Lord" to whom JEHOVAH said, &#034…[Read more]

Mike,The root is the pre-existent Son, the 'sprout' is the human Son, together they are the incarnation of the begotten God and flesh man.Jehovah in the fullest sense is the unity of the Father and Son and their SpiritEach member of this unity is also called Jehovah, one as the Father and one as the Son.Context will help.John Gill is a good…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 06 2011,14:49)Kathi!  We are all Human Beings, but we are not all the same, just like Jesus is mot the same then His Father, that is what is important….. You want to make Jesus the same then His Father who by Jesus own words is greater then He is….. You will never convince me that Jesus is called Jehovah, that is the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 07 2011,01:05)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2011,04:16)CharlesJn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”Jn 18:38 “What is truth?…[Read more]