Quote (t8 @ Nov. 15 2011,02:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2011,12:22)t8,The 'ego eimi' does not have a direct object and that makes it significantly different than the other times.  You don't seem to see that it makes a difference.Kathi, if they asked if he was Jesus of Nazareth, and 'I am' is a sufficient answer if you wish to reply with a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,19:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2011,19:51)Pierre,A firstborn already has existed for a while within it's 'host' before getting the title of 'firstborn.' The claim that He is the Firstborn does not speak about an origin but a begettal of one that was already in existence.KathiKathiGod is not man ,he does not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,21:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:02)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)There is only ONE Jesus, Kathi.  The Son of Man who said “I came down from heaven” is the Son of God who was in heaven before he came down from heaven. There is also only one Mikeboll here but sometimes I speak to you as the moderator and sometimes I…[Read more]

Pierre,A firstborn already has existed for a while within it's 'host' before getting the title of 'firstborn.' The claim that He is the Firstborn does not speak about an origin but a begettal of one that was already in existence.Kathi

Also, regarding the 'ego eimi'…why would people die in their sins? They all believed that He existed. He was claiming something more than just existence that one had to believe.

That would be very hard to see…I agree! A friend of mine died today but she was in her 60's and had a terminal illness. My pastor says, “Sudden death…sudden glory.” We have to believe that by faith and they believe that by existing in it now. They are the ones that are more alive than the ones left behind. That is our hope.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2011,23:12)Mike,Read my signature…it tells you I have a better idea:  YOU should read the scriptures I listed and take notice of the fact that your signature disagrees with them.  Mike,You don't understand unity and you don't understand the different roles that Jesus had…one a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,19:20)Nope, Kathi.  I went to that thread AFTER I finished with this one.  And I've already addressed your points over there.  But to be fair, I brought up Rev 4:11 to you a couple of weeks ago – and until today you HAVE refused to address it.But since we are discussing it in the other thread, how about you ad…[Read more]

t8,The 'ego eimi' does not have a direct object and that makes it significantly different than the other times.  You don't seem to see that it makes a difference.The bottom line is that Thomas called Him, 'MY Lord and MY God.'  Jesus did not disagree with that acknowledgement but called those of us blessed who believe that when we did not see H…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,18:02)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,09:55)KathiQuote The Isaiah passage seems to be the Father speaking about the Son of man which was not involved in creation…the Son of God was involved in creation.  The Son of God was not yet the Messiah when He was with the Father in…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote There is only ONE Jesus, Kathi.  The Son of Man who said “I came down from heaven” is the Son of God who was in heaven before he came down from heaven. There is also only one Mikeboll here but sometimes I speak to you as the moderator and sometimes I speak to you as just a member.  I believe that the Father spoke to His Son u…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2011,17:28)Kathi?  Rev 4:11?  Is 42:1-9?  WHO did the creating?  You can address this point either in this thread or in your poll thread about the Creator……………but please address these scriptures in one of the threads.So Mike,You say that I can discuss these verses here or in the other thread. Now, did you che…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,09:55)KathiQuote The Isaiah passage seems to be the Father speaking about the Son of man which was not involved in creation…the Son of God was involved in creation.  The Son of God was not yet the Messiah when He was with the Father in the beginning and all things were created by/through Him-the Son.Kathi Christ…[Read more]

Jack,you made a good point here:Quote I marvel that you think the Jews would want to stone Him for saying “I AM Jesus of Nazareth.” His enemies confessed that He was Jesus of Nazareth (Mk. 14:67). But they wanted to stone Him for His “I AM” claim in John 8:58.

Mike,you said:Quote Sure he was, if you base your understanding on ALL of the scriptures, Kathi.  That's what Eusebius and I do on this subject.No he wasn't ever referred to as the only 'created son.'  It refers to Him as an only 'begotten son.'  You are twisting the meanings to force it to fit your theology.Quote Jesus was begotten by his God, th…[Read more]

Mike,Read my signature…it tells you

Mike,you wrote:Quote What great accomplishments did John succeed at while inside the womb of Elizabeth? Did he pave the way for his Lord while in there? Did he baptize anyone? Was there anything great that he did that could be attributed to John except for “leaping for joy”?Pointless argument…what great accomplishments did the Father succeed…[Read more]

Mike,you wrote:Quote Here are a couple commentaries on what Eusebius wrote to his diocese:And though he insists on our Lord being alone, ἐκ θεοῦ, yet he means in the sense that he alone was created immediately from God…………“he alone was created immediately from God”You won't find those words in scripture!Jesus was never referred to as the…[Read more]

Mike,You said:Quote Just like since the word “begotten” always describes the beginning of the existence of a being anywhere else in history, it could also describe exactly what it sounds like it's describing in the case of Jesus, right?Read this account of Mary and Elizabeth…Elizabeth was in her 'sixth month' and the baby within her was…[Read more]

Mike,You said:Quote The Nicene Creed that I agree with is the one from 325Read this part of the 325 creed and then tell me if you agree with it:We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father, that is, of the substance of the Father, God of God,…[Read more]