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Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 5 months ago
Mike,Within the quote, the Son is the subject:8But of the Son He says, “ YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“ YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COM…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years, 5 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2011,22:34)Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her
This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that
KathiHi Mike,Did that bring 'light' to your discussion with Edj? Hopefully you can get…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years, 5 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2011,22:34)Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her
This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that
KathiHi Mike,Did that bring 'light' to your discussion with Edj? Hopefully you can get…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years, 5 months ago
Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her
This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that
KathiLightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years, 5 months ago
Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her
This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that
KathiLightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike,you wrote:Quote If Jesus is not the One who made all these things, then he must be one of the things that One made.That's false teaching. If Jesus is not the one being addressed, that doesn't mean that He wasn't with the one being addressed and that the one being addressed didn't make all things by Jesus. Of course when He is spoken of as…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike,you wrote:Quote So what's the answer, Kathi? Because in Is 42, Jehovah is clearly telling His messiah that Jehovah is HIS Name. And He is clearly telling His messiah that HE will share His glory with no other.Duh…I know that Jehovah is the Father's name and that is why I have brought up the verse that has Jesus talking to the Father about…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Half Truth and the Reductive Fallacy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Pierre,Very funny!”…do not let them be heard on your lips.” I don't think you can get around this command when you do all things in Jesus name. John 16:26“In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have b…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 16 2011,17:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,08:20)Frank, you say you've answered my questions. Perhaps I missed your answers to these last two I asked:Frank, at what point in Jesus' life was he so swelled up with pride that he had to empty himself of it?At what point in your life were you in a different form prior…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 16 2011,16:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,07:24)Also Frank,Can you show me any NT verses that tell us that the Father is the bridegroom or the husband of the redeemed?Thanks,KathiKathi, is that scripture talking about Israel or the Church?I know that Jesus didn't die for Israel but for all and God dealt with Israel by sending…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Half Truth and the Reductive Fallacy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike and Irene,If you don't believe that Jesus is God as the Son and the Highest one together with the Father then you are believing in an idol god if He is anything less.If you use Jesus' name, and you do not believe that He is God with the Father, then you violate this command:Exodus 23:13“Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be o…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Half Truth and the Reductive Fallacy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Very funny Mike. I suppose you want us all to write really long posts to verify everything said. Then you would complain about that.

Lightenup replied to the topic Granddaughter of PASTRY in the forum Prayer & Advice 14 years, 6 months ago
I'm glad to hear a good report from you Irene. Ya'll needed that!God bless,Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 6 months ago
Also Frank,Can you show me any NT verses that tell us that the Father is the bridegroom or the husband of the redeemed?Thanks,Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 6 months ago
Frank,But I never said that He was His own Father. There are two persons that are called Yahweh. The Father gave His Son His own name. Many fathers do that even now. Do you have a Frank Jr.?John 17:11″I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Half Truth and the Reductive Fallacy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote Removing 'the son of' turns the truth into the lie. A truth that many are trying to dispel. But the gates of hell cannot prevail against this truth.Did Thomas lie when He called Jesus His Lord and His God??Did Jesus lie when He affirmed Thomas for calling Him that??
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 6 months ago
Frank,Hello…I thought you should know that the bridegroom that is coming for the church is the Son, Yahweh. Isaiah speaks of Him here:Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. The Father, Yahweh, never is said to be…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Pierre,Quote this is written in black and white ,NO??Nothing there says anything about the Son being created. It does say that all things were created by Him though
KathiLightenup replied to the topic Is God Almighty One? Two? Or Three? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,17:00)Jack, will you address the fact that anytime Jehovah called himself by Name, He said “I am I AM”? Will you address the fact that Jesus never said that phrase?Kathi? Will you address this point?(Disclaimer: I am using the “I AM” definition of “YHWH” solely to make a point here. I believe that God's per…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Is God Almighty One? Two? Or Three? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,21:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:46)Also, regarding the 'ego eimi'…why would people die in their sins? They all believed that He existed. He was claiming something more than just existence that one had to believe.That's why the NIV has it right. They understand and translate the spirit of what Jesus wa…[Read more]
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