Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 03 2011,19:32)Mike!  I was reading there…. I also don't believe she will ever again  believe that Jesus was the the created Son of God….it is making me so sad, because Kathi used to believe what we all did, not to long ago….Peace IreneFunny how people comprehend incorrectly. I have been debating Irene from the start t…[Read more]

Pierre,Father God and according to the flesh…His mother was Mary.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:30)A God begets a GodA man begets a manKathi,I noticed you used the phrase “God the Son” five times in the post to which I'm responding.  Where can we learn about “God the Son” in the scriptures?  And can we also learn about “God the Accuser” (Satan) there?  If not, why on…[Read more]

Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi

Mike,I have shown you several times where scripture refers to the Son as Jehovah…the Son is the husband of Zion who is Jehovah. Jacob wrestles with Jehovah face to face. Abraham talks face to face with Jehovah who will judge the whole earth, Jehovah sent fire and brimstone from the Jehovah in heaven, Jesus is called ''Jehovah our…[Read more]

Mike,Did God speak to His prophets through His angels in the OT?  Yes or No.Quote And you are right that it doesn't say the word “only”.  But it also doesn't say “In the past, God spoke to us through various prophets AND THROUGH HIS SON”.  “Long ago” seems to be separated FROM “in these last days”, which leads me to believe that “prophets” are se…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote “Firstborn OF every creature” most definitely refers to the first creature ever created.That is what you say and I believe that would mean that he is the first baby from every creature if he was the firstborn of every creature ever created.  And if he were the first baby from every creature, then he would not be the first…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Gene,Jesus said that He/Jesus was in the Father and that both of them would dwell in believers. A non-deity spirit cannot be at more than one place at one time or in another person. The Father and Son's can.God bless ya,Kathi

Mike,I don't agree with your point.Jehovah never directly said “I am I AM.” Do you mean to ask if Jehovah means “I AM” then the answer is that YHVH has the root word hayah which is translated as 'I am.' The point is that scripture tells us that Jehovah always existed.Does scripture tell us that Jesus is also called Jehovah, yes. Therefore the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 22 2011,03:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2011,00:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,22:33)Pierre,I encourage you to learn about unity and the story behind the 'stick' remark.  Let's just say that Mike, the one I addressed it to, knows the story.  Are you interested in knowing about how the idea of unity is spoken about in the OT by using the term 'stick?'  …[Read more]

t8you said:Quote LU, no one would think to demonstrate that because after reading the bible, we are not posed with such an idea.Then allow me to enlighten you:1. The spirit of a person is called their inner man/inner person/inner self2. That inner person of man is compared to the spirit of God.Here are your proof texts:2 Corinthians 4:16 in three…[Read more]

Wakeup are you also journey42?? If so, why?

Pierre,Read…the word 'firstborn' does not say 'first created' this is another place where you have to change the words to suit your doctrine.The message of the passage is that the 'image' of God is over all creation and that the 'image' of God created all things in heaven and on earth…I think that the term 'firstborn' confuses you and you…[Read more]

Devolution,You have demonstrated that the Holy Spirit is probably not a 3rd person but you have not demonstrated that He is not the 'inner person' of the Father and Son united which is what I believe. I don't believe that the Holy Spirit is merely the spirit of truth although the Holy Spirit would certainly portray and lead in truth. Man's…[Read more]

No Pierre, It simply shows that He was there in the beginning. It says nothing about Him not being there before that. Also, 'of creation' is not there either.Stick to scripture, this will help you.Kathi

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2011,21:52)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,07:11)I John 1:1-3That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,23:32)kathiQuote Mike,The Father is never without the Son.  The Son is and always was accessible to the Father.  The Son's existence is what is vital for the Father to be Almighty since the Son plays a very important role.Kathi you right sins the son was created they always together ,but their was a time a moment t…[Read more]

Pierre,I encourage you to learn about unity and the story behind the 'stick' remark. Let's just say that Mike, the one I addressed it to, knows the story. Are you interested in knowing about how the idea of unity is spoken about in the OT by using the term 'stick?' Or not? Feel free to ask me.i also encourage you to learn about the difference…[Read more]

Mike,Why do you forget that the Son emptied Himself of something. If He emptied Himself of something, then He had less of the 'something' than He did before. That should be applauded not pointed out that He is less mighty than the one who didn't empty Himself, i.e. the Father. The Son became less mighty for our sakes and was given it back to…[Read more]