I found this bit of info on shepherding near Bethlehem in December:Shepherd with FlockThe area to the east of the city is traditionally believed to be the area of the fields of the shepherds “keeping watch o'er their flocks by night.” Several churches have been built to commemorate this event. Even today local shepherds can be seen tending…[Read more]

William,I am thinking about before Mary, before the creation of man, did the Father have a conversation with the manifestation of Himself then? Ya know…”Let US make man in OUR image…”

Great Nick, so you admit that Jesus is your Lord and Savior.Nick whose blood sanctifies you?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,22:10)Hi, At his anointing Jesus became the LORD Jesus1 Corinthians 5:4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,1 Corinthians 12:3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one…[Read more]

Nick,Can you say that Jesus is your Lord and Savior? Yes or no

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,21:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)Mike,You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,21:21)Hi Kathi,Why would a branch worship the vine? The finger serves the Head with which is joined. We do not worship that which we are part of but his God.Is Jesus not your Lord and Savior, Nick?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,21:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:45)Mike,you said:Quote 1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the Father and the Son both credit for creation. Show me some early church fathers that agree with you. Otherwise your claim is unsubstantiated. I can show you that…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,20:47)Hi Kathi, For the Son read Christ read Spirit. All creation is by the Spirit.The Lord IS the SpiritNick,Do you believe Jesus is the Lord? Do you worship Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,20:20)1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.But, if you can't come up with anything except for your unsubstantiated beliefs to rebut Acts 17, then I'll give jammin a chance before posting the next scripture.Mike,you said:Quote 1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the…[Read more]

I agree Nick, in this situation Mike cannot distinguish between the two but just focuses on Jesus according to the flesh.

Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 27 2012,21:51)Kathi,Sorry, foundation may not of been the best choice of words to describe it, what I was referring to was the laws of physics, those that govern our reality (laws of gravitation, Laws of motion, Thermodynamic laws, etc.) these would need to be in place before matter was created.Thanks – WmHi William,Ok,…[Read more]

Mike,What I said above goes for Acts 17 also. Jesus according to the flesh is distinguished from Jesus who preceded the flesh in some passages like Acts 14 and Acts 17.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,19:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,18:02)If Acts 4 is not a teaching on creation……………Kathi,If a scripture mentions the words, “God created”, even in passing, then it is a teaching on who created.In the case of Acts 4 (and Acts 17), Jesus is listed as someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,19:20)Kathi,How about we only cap the “G” on any God who doesn't have a God of his own, okay?  Mike,How about we capitalize the G for the God who is our Lord and Savior, Mike. Then we would be consistent with every Bible translation aside from the NWT.

Mike,you said:Quote I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin. Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right?Jesus is a god (mighty one) who is a lesser god than his own Creator (God Most High/God of gods).The scriptures teach that Jesus is God, not god. The G is always capitalized in reference to Jesus as…[Read more]

Mikeyou said:Quote Kathi, according to the prayer in Acts 4, there is the God they prayed to, who created EVERYTHING in the heavens.  Jesus is a thing in the heavens who is NOT the God they prayed to.  Logically then, he would have no choice but to be one of those things in the heavens created by the God who created EVERYTHING in the heavens.Is A…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 28 2012,02:39)Lu, there are many reasons why it cants be dec 25.  But that is not what this thread is about.  I would really like for you to go over the facts as simply as you can concerning this thread.David,This thread is about the claims regarding the origin of Christmas as to whether it has pagan origins or not. The date o…[Read more]

Interesting to think about in reverse…someone who lived in the greatest dimension yet humbled himself to dwell in the least dimension. He did this so he could relate to and understand those who only knew that least dimension. Then he goes back to the greatest dimension and promised the ones left behind that when he was back in that greatest…[Read more]

Truth is never malice, Shimmer. We are to embrace the truth. Truth sets us free! Disobedience to God will not.James 1:22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at…[Read more]