BD,you said:Quote Once again Kathi you have to study your own scriptures for there is NO difference between slave and free, Jew and Gentile in Christ Jesus so your point there has NO VALUE.Was Ishmael 'in Christ'…are you 'in Christ?' What does it mean to you to be 'in Christ?'

Creation sings praises…listen to the stars, and the whales sing to their creator:

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2012,19:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2012,20:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,20:07)“Great and marvelous are your deeds,   Lord God Almighty.Just and true are your ways,   King of the nations.4 Who will not fear you, Lord,   and bring glory to your name?For you alone are holy.All nations will come   and worsh…[Read more]

BD,Obviously there was some sense of inheritance when God appeared to Abram but what I was saying is that the laws of inheritance had evolved and what came out in Deuteronomy came after Abraham, just as the beginning of the name of Israel which began at a wrestling match with Jacob, the grandson of Abraham.Regarding the point that Ishmael was…[Read more]

Mike,They worhip one Almighty God as the Father, together with His Son and the Holy Spirit as a compound unity.

Thanks t8, that was worthwhile to listen to. This is the passage that came to my mind while listening to it:1 Cor 101If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move…[Read more]

Mike, The Trinitarians worship more than one person united in one Godhead. So do I!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2012,20:07)“Great and marvelous are your deeds,   Lord God Almighty.Just and true are your ways,   King of the nations.4 Who will not fear you, Lord,   and bring glory to your name?For you alone are holy.All nations will come   and worship before you,for your righteous acts have been revealed.”Kathi, in this song th…[Read more]

Bd, You are right that Israelites weren't there yet, my bad! However that does not dismiss the fact that there is a distinction between the son of the free woman and the son of the bondslave woman. Your verse in Deuteronomy wasn't in play either at that time from what I understand. If you can show different, let me know.

Here is an explanation of what the Targums are and why they are important:The word 'Targum' simply means 'translation' or 'interpretation', but while any translation might call itself a 'targum', the word is usually reserved for ancient Aramaic translations of the Hebrew scriptures. The need for Aramaic translations of scripture was keenly felt as…[Read more]

In regards to the teaching that the Memra of YHWH is the manifested YHWH as distinct from the unapproachable YHWH, I have found valuable lists of scriptures from this site and it is from this list that I would like to find the specified passages and post them in this thread for a database:http://www.ccel.org/ccel….ghlightThis info contains lists…[Read more]

This spot is reserved for a possible compilation of what is to come.

Mike,The Hebrews worshiped the one they called 'The Word of YHWH' as well as the one they called YHWH as per the targums. To see this clearly, we need to go back to that long list of Targum occurrences of the 'Word of YHWH.' I will start a thread for this as a database that focuses on that list that I put on here.So, the sensible Hebrew person…[Read more]

BD,You want me to admit that Hagar was Abraham's wife…well, she is called his wife, she is also called a concubine, she is also called a slave woman and an Egyptian, she is not the proper wife of Abraham, Sarah was the only one recognized as that. Read this from John Gill on Galatians 4:Galatians 4:3030Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast…[Read more]

BD and Mike,Gen 25:1Now Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2She bore to him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah. 3Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim and Letushim and Leummim. 4The sons of Midian were Ephah and Epher and Hanoch and Abida and Eldaah. All these…[Read more]

Mike,You talk about sensible, intelligent people not 'getting' supernatural concepts. There is a whole lot in the Bible that you DO believe that 'sensible people' do not 'get.' You believe that water became wine, the Red Sea parted, a blind man sees when mud is applied to his eyes, the demons flee in the name of Jesus, a man existed in the form of…[Read more]

t8,you say:Quote Can't answer everything you have written it would waste too much time.Is that your way of saying that you don't know what to say? You are stumped?? you ask:Quote Does it not say, “today I have become your father”.Actually the Greek does not have the word 'father' in the first part of the verse that I believe you are referring to.…[Read more]

Mike,Do you think that Hagar was Abraham's wife?BD said:Quote Ishmael had the very first covenant that God made with Abraham and that was the covenant of circumcision and it is an Everlasting Covenant and of course Ishmael was legitimate Hagar was his WIFE you are sorely misled on this subject.

Mike,Quote And btw, I pray to the ONE God Jehovah Most High. I pray to Him THROUGH His Holy Servant Jesus Christ – as Jesus taught, and as the Apostles did.So you make mention of two theos in your prayers, not more than two and not less than two. True or False?You have two theos from which creation came, not more than two and not less than two.…[Read more]

BD,Isaac was the ONLY child of Abraham's that God established His covenant with, for an everlasting covenant for him and his descendants after him. Abraham did have a son before Isaac but not a son that God established His covenant with that was an everlasting covenant for Isaac's descendants. There was ONLY ONE SON that God did that through.…[Read more]