Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2013,21:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,21:47)Ignatius in other writings calls the Son, the eternal Word. Do you believe that the Son was the eternal Word, t8?Did he say Jesus IS the eternal Word……… or HAS BEEN the eternal Word from eternity?Because I believe what Paul wrote:  Since Jesus died and was raised,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2013,21:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,21:03)Mike,you asked:Quote Do you agree that John 1:1 speaks of TWO gods, one of whom was with the other?  YES or NO?Yes…………Quote Do you agree that the theos in part b is “the uncreated cause of all things”?  YES or NO?Both theos are together the uncreated cause of a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:19)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,03:39)Case closed because you ignore a huge glaring plank and concentrate on a speck that even if it was written as Jesus only is not even proof that Jesus is the Most High God.Amen to that!  Unfortunately, Kathi also does the same thing with the scriptures.  In her never-ending s…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,17:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,09:49)According to the words in the quote box, “The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans”, which do you think is the most correct answer:#1 Jesus is NOT identified as our God in any way.#2 ONLY Jesus IS identified as our God.#3 ONLY the Father is identified as our God.#4 The Father IS…[Read more]

Kerwin,The Hebrew word for root in Isa 11 that speaks of the roots of Jesse and later the root of Jesse in verse 10, is found in 33 verses in the OT. I will provide you with a link to this list and you tell me which verse uses the definition of 'root' that you are using, ok?http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_8328.htm

Kerwin,Do you believe that ALL of Jesse's descendants are also Jesus' descendants? Or does some of Jesse's descendants refuse to believe in Jesus as the Messiah?

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,04:39)Kathi, I don't have access to he Greek Text of Ignatius, and I likely do not have the time to dissect his text even if I had. However, I have already covered both sides of the coin in a previous post and neither is saying that Jesus is the Most High God. And I have further proof which you have obviously overlooked in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,03:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,18:56)So, I'll choose #4.4) Judas was devil-like.Yes you are right. Judas was devil-like.But, apologies. I made a mistake with option 3. It should have read, 3) That Judas had the character or nature of the DevilI was trying to convey that he had some of the Devil's qualities in that…[Read more]

jb2u,Thank you, I think.Yes, you can see from John 5 that:Jesus is definitely telling the Jews that:He is NOT making Himself equal to God, the Father.He IS making Himself equal to God, the Son and that apart from Him there would be no eternal salvation possible.You want to compare Jesus to prophets and disciples?What prophet/disciple chooses who…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,23:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,17:47)Ignatius in other writings calls the Son, the eternal Word. Do you believe that the Son was the eternal Word, t8?Kathi, I am not sure what sense he was saying this because I would have to see the context. But for now, ask yourself, “do you have eternal life?”.Quote Chapter…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,23:00)No I didn't miss that.But I saw the pattern and you did not.Most High God + the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son + the Churchanswers to:Jesus Christ, + our God and Saviour; + the ChurchAnd all the other mentions follow the pattern but do not include the Church, i.e., God and Jesus.Sure it does…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,23:09)Kathi and Mike,When Jesus said about Judas, “one of you is devil”, was he saying:1) That Judas was the Devil (Satan).2) That Judas was a devil (excluding Satan)3) That Judas had the characteristics or nature of the Devil4) Another explanationWhat is your choice?t8,I assume that you are referring to John 6:70Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,22:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius was a disciple of the writer of John 1:1 wrote this:The Epistle of Ignatius to the RomansShorter and Longer VersionsIgnatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,22:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who formed all things that are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2013,19:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,18:37)Also, I think that Kerwin is thinking that, as Jesus is the Branch…those He gives life to will grow out of this Branch and that would make the Branch a type of foundation or 'root' for them but in that case, the 'root' would not be called 'the root of Jesse' but the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 24 2013,21:04)To all ……> Kerwin is right , all branches come from roots, and all roots come from a Seed, Jesse is a Seed of Abraham and that seed of Jesse Produced Roots Many in fact of which King David is one, and Davids seed produced many roots through his prodgeny and those Roots bore up Jesus of Nazerath a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 24 2013,19:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,02:58)Kerwin,you said:Quote Second, Jesse is the genealogical root of Jesse as without Jesse there is no Jesse.Jesse is the genealogical root of himself??? Did you mean Jesus?LU,Jesse is the house of Jesse.  It is a way of speech.  For example:Exodus 4:22King James Version (…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote Do you agree that John 1:1 speaks of TWO gods, one of whom was with the other? YES or NO?Yes and they are one YHVH eternal unity together with their SpiritQuote Do you agree that the theos in part b is “the uncreated cause of all things”? YES or NO?Both theos are together the uncreated cause of all things.

Ok, t8, you are welcome. Quote As you have already agreed to, “It is also saying that adam without the article refers to mankind in general”, likewise, theos without the article can refer to Godkind in general.Actually, I don't think that the Greek word theos is used for godkind. That would be the Greek word theiotes:Strongs #2305theiotés:…[Read more]

Mike,I realize your point. Thanks for clarifying.Also, I think that Kerwin is thinking that, as Jesus is the Branch…those He gives life to will grow out of this Branch and that would make the Branch a type of foundation or 'root' for them but in that case, the 'root' would not be called 'the root of Jesse' but the 'root' of the church.…[Read more]