• Profile picture of Lightenup

    @Keith
    In the 4 gospels, when Jesus was speaking to a crowd, did everybody who was there and saw Jesus, believe He was from God or did some of them, who were there watching Jesus, not believe that He was from God even after they saw Him feed thousands in there presence or raise Lazarus from the dead or heal the lame man and the blind man?

    The…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 1 week ago

    @Keith

    Show us specifically what the author wrote within the book that is a lie and then show us why it is a lie.

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    LU replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 1 week, 4 days ago

    @Keith

    The general reader sees that you judged a book by your bias, not because you read it.  The book is a scholarly book.

    There is a YouTube channel you can also learn some things from here (I’m not saying that I agree with it completely but it is a channel that would benefit you, imo):

    https://youtu.be/61MrudwPEOo?is=m69mQKwpZ8ChrIO9

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    LU replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 1 week, 4 days ago

    @Keith

    The general reader sees that you judged a book by your bias, not because you read it.  The book is a scholarly book.

    There is a YouTube channel you can also learn some things from here (I’m not saying that I agree with it completely but it is a channel that would benefit you, imo):

    https://youtu.be/61MrudwPEOo?is=m69mQKwpZ8ChrIO9

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    @Keith

    You wrote:

    All know it is satan spoken of at 2 Cor 4:4

    The fact that you just wrote that should show the general reader that you are not concerned with being truthful. I just showed you a book that says

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Keith,

    Did you do as I said and go back a few pages where this discussion began? Mary has NOTHING to do with lineage and Ezra explains that; why did the men tell their foreign wives and children to go away? Jewishness is maternal and comes from the mother, NOT the father. Never mind the fact the Luke account goes thru David’s son Nathan and NOT…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    The passage you are quoting is from Psalm 45:

    6 Your throne, O God, is permanent. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice. 7 You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.

    This Psalm is a romantic poem celebrating the Davidic king’s m…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 3 weeks ago

    @Keith

    James 1:5 tells us that if we lack wisdom, we should ask God. With that in mind, would you be willing to sincerely ask God the Father whether His Son, Jesus, ever began to exist, or whether the Son has always existed in some manner? I am not asking you to accept my view—only to ask the Father directly and be open to whatever He shows you.

     

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    @Keith,

    Desire truth. Psalm 45:7 did not call Jesus Elohim, It stated that he has an Elohim( God)

    “You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.”

    Who is the “you” that is being anointed? The Jesus??? If so, you’re going have to tell me when the Jesus is…[Read more]

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    @Keith

    You said this

    “So The true God=Jehovah gave Jesus(Word) authority. If Jesus were God he would already have had the authority.”

    If within the unity of Jehovah there is one God and one Lord who are a father and son, then one can expect that the son would be perfectly under the authority of the father if it were a perfect father/son rel…[Read more]

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    @Keith

    Do you have a response?

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    @Keith

    “You missed that theos in 2 Corinthians 4:4 does have the article — but the presence or absence of the article never determines whether theos refers to the true God or a false god. Greek doesn’t work that way. The article marks specificity, not deity.”

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 1 month ago

    @Keith

    Are you claiming that Jesus — the theos who now has all authority in heaven and on earth — is a false god?

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    @Keith

    Which “theos” was given all authority in heaven and on earth after the resurrection of Christ?

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    @Keith

    Thank you — you said the “You” in both Psalm 102 and Hebrews 1:10 is Jehovah.

    So according to your own answer:

    – The “You” in Psalm 102 = Jehovah
    – The “You” in Hebrews 1:10 = Jehovah
    – Hebrews 1:10 is spoken to the Son

    Therefore the Father identifies the Son as Jehovah.

    This is exactly the point I’ve been asking you to consider.

    What…[Read more]

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    @Keith

    You are bringing up John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4, but those points don’t answer the specific question I asked you. That’s a discussion for another time.

    Let’s stay with the passage I quoted, because it is the Father speaking, and the wording is identical to Psalm 102.

    Hebrews 1:8 says clearly: “But about the Son He says…”…[Read more]

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    LU replied to the topic Lightenup/Keith Discussion in the forum Debates 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    @Keith

    I can tell that I was not clear enough with my post. I want to you look at Heb 1:10-14 and Psalm 102:25-28.

    In Hebrews 1:10-12 we see that the Father is speaking about the Son when the Father says:

    Hebrews 1:10 And:

    “In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

    and the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11They w…

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    @Keith

    How do you define “Christians?”

    Jehovah the Father—the One speaking to David’s Lord in Psalm 110:1—identifies His Son in Hebrews 1 with the Jehovah described in Psalm 102.

    Psalm 110:1 shows Jehovah (the Father) speaking to someone distinct: “my Lord.”

    Psalm 102 describes Jehovah as the eternal, unchanging Creator of heaven and earth.

    H…[Read more]

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    @Keith

    One of my sons lives in NY also. I’m in TN, in the Bible Belt of America. 🙂

    So you have been a JW basically all your life. Do JW’s say that they are Christians? Do you know where in the Bible it is written where God the Father identifies Jesus as Jehovah?

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Keith,

    Its called justice– A perfect mortal man sinned and lost a good standing with God for all his descendants.

    Adam was punished for his sin, but did G-d reject him for it? NO!!

    Justice = A perfect mortal man lived a sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

    Are you saying the Jesus lived a…[Read more]

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