Hi t8,

As in Adam all die meaning that all are born mortal and able to die, but in the Son of Man who paid the penalty for our sins all shall be made alive, each according to their own order. Those who die in faith are resurrected to being perfected by God’s Spirit as Jesus was and receive eternal life as Jesus did. For those who are in faith but…[Read more]

Hi t8,

Creature represents something created by God, don’t you believe that Jesus pre-existed as a one of a kind non flesh firstborn overall creation?

Anthony,

Jesus was of the first Adam and upon being made perfect and resurrected from the dead he became the second Adam, the heavenly HUMAN, no longer with weak flesh having to overcome temptation but freed from that bondage.  He was born under the LAW, born into temptation and DEATH. He was sown in weakness like all men, sown incorruptible…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

NO!! Your invention of the birth of Jesus and applying it to John 1 is false.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

Jesus the Son of Man who was anointed with God’s Spirit being born of God’s Spirit and SENT out according to God’s will and purpose, he came from heaven in that manner. You ever wonder why the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are both said, but mean exactly the same thing?

When a Son of Man is said to come from heaven or have…[Read more]

There is NOTHING about Jesus folks that makes Jesus an only begotten Son because he pre-existed as a non flesh one of a kind son. He existed as the only begotten Son because he was a Son of Man that was BORN of God’s Spirit. We too must be BORN of God’s Spirit to enter the kingdom. We believe in the Son of Man, as the Christ not because he…[Read more]

t8,

“He” that came in the flesh was the Messiah, the promised seed of David. The promised seed of Abraham.

You apply this “he” not according to God’s determined purpose, not according to His words in the OT, that God would visit a Son of Man, anoint him with His Spirit and give him the inheritance of a firstborn son, a Son of Man God gives all…[Read more]

t8,

You say that you do not disagree however you say his origin is from being another creature that God had made. You don’t have both. Either he came from being a descendant of David or he came from heaven, or part of him came from heaven and God made him into yet another one of a kind creature.

t8, you haven’t answered my simple question, does…[Read more]

Hi t8,

Your doctrine doesn’t make sense on so many levels with what scripture says, and you leave out a whole lot of explanation. You seem to actually avoid explanation. You say it fits but you don’t explain how it fits. Apparently I am just suppose to take your word that it does.

His origin was foretold that he would COME from the seed of…[Read more]

Hello All,

Please explain what it means for a non flesh one of a kind son of God to be called the Word of God?

Just trying to understand this as pre-existers think, as I have never heard it explained.

As you say, this non flesh son of God was the firstborn over all creation and his name was the Word of God. So are you saying that God made him…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Galatians 3: 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nat…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

John 17:24 “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

WHO is speaking? The SON OF MAN is!! God loved the Son of Man before the foundation of the world. He created the world through and fo…[Read more]

Hi t8,

Give me one scripture that says that I have to believe that Jesus pre-existed in order to have eternal life?

Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting…[Read more]

Hi T8,

The Son of God is the Son of Man that sits at God’s right hand. The resurrected man that had been made perfect who according to the flesh of David has an eternal throne, is the image of God.

Hi t8,

YOU:And the Son of God.

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thr…[Read more]

YES the word was WITH God in the beginning as it relates to prophets having received it at a time much later, they received it but it had been WITH God all along, even though it was new to them.

Hi t8,

YOU:

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

How does this negate that God made everything through his Word who was with God in the beginning and became flesh and who made everything through the Son of God whose just happens to have the name  ‘The Word of God:? And with whom did God make this…[Read more]

Let me edit this or it will drive me nuts!!

NEW not KNEW, and sense I am editing that I want to change a few things to make it more clear as I was in a bit of a rush earlier.

David spoke God’s word, Isaiah spoke God’s word, and so on and so forth, the words that they spoke were new to them but they were not new to God as His WORDS were WITH Him…[Read more]

Hi t8,

YOU:Well yeah. He was the final Adam. In that capacity, he probably fulfilled what Adam was suppose to do. So as death came through one man, so it is that life came through one man.

Jesus stated that he is the life and we know that this eternal life was WITH the FATHER, just as the Word was with the Father in the beginning. And while his…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

It would only be a YES if we held the same belief as to the identity of Christ, which I am pretty sure we don’t.

My Christ the answer would be yes, your Christ a no.