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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:53:20 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And without controversy, Mankind could not be saved without the pure and holy blood sacrifice of a sinless and holy man &#8211; quid pro quo &#8211; for the sin of Adam (Man, and the First man).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:48:13 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is t8 claiming about Jesus Christ?</p>
<p>Who is it that the Apostles claim is the mediator between ‘God’ and ‘Man’?</p>
<p>Jesus the Christ, a man but certainly not a ‘mere’ man but one who proved himself righteous, sinless and holy before Almighty God.</p>
<p>More than enough verses testify to this statement of concern:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Acts 2:22</strong><br />
“Men of Israel, li&hellip;</p></blockquote>
<p><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-443141"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/61/#post-831840" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2018 08:05:01 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeat: ‘The Word of God’ is not the person but the FULFILMENT of God’s promise to send a Saviour.</p>
<p>Understand: To be Anointed means, ‘To set aside for Kingship and/or Priesthood’ (Jesus was both: Kingdhip over mankind and High Priesthood to God: Only the high priest could directly interact with God in the synagogue: the mediator.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-443091"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/61/#post-831778" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:16:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please try to understand:</p>
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<li>’The Word of God’ is not a person. Almighty God made a promise that he would send a Saviour. In the fullness of time Almighty God FULFILLED that promise.</li>
<li>To ‘Come in the Flesh / Become flesh’ is not about a person &#8211; it is about a promise being FULFILLED. That promise was OF a person, a Saviour: The SERVANT of Almight&hellip;</li>
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<p><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-443069"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/60/#post-831756" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2018 16:33:25 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, yes&#8230; Jesus was prophesied to be the son of God. Prophesy is ‘of the future’, just as the Apostle wrote: ‘We were told that man would be theruler over all things but as yet we have not seen that occur’ (paraphrased). And has Jesus taken his seat on the spiritual throne of his forefather, king David? And has Death been subdued and destroy&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-442727"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/60/#post-831384" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2018 12:18:34 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trinity is a false doctrine that all true Christians keep well clear of as an ideology.</p>
<p>Jesus was not a pre-existent being that ‘Came in the flesh’ (as in, was a Spirit Being and then changed to put on flesh!).</p>
<p>What ‘Came in the flesh’ was ‘The Word of God’&#8230;. Jehovah’s very Word that he would send a saviour (Isaiah 42:1), came to fruit&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-440909"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/60/#post-829646" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2018 11:47:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, what is the dispute about?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:24:21 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, all the things you wrote to Nick concerning the ‘Man’ in heaven before the world was, INCLUDE FAKED text.</p>
<p>It is clear that these have been ADDED as they do not follow the theme of the verse.</p>
<p>The trinity translators added in verses to include Jesus where it might declare Father as the sole doer. The things written were done after Jesus ros&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-438480"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/59/#post-822542" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:06:21 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I agree only that the Father created all things.</p>
<p>Jesus was not existent in heaven when the world was created so it cannot be that God Created all things THROUGH Jesus.</p>
<p>In fact, rendering the text as ‘God Created through Jesus’, is complete nonsense if Jesus IS GOD!</p>
<p>Saying, ‘The Father Created all things through the son’ Is also nonsens&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-438479"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/59/#post-822541" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 08:24:10 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, Nick:</p>
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<li>‘ had glory with the Father before the world was’</li>
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<p>This is interesting in that the verse DOES NOT claim that  had glory WHEN the world was&#8230; only BEFORE. Yet another scripture claim  CREATED the world and all things within&#8230; and then another STATES that it was the FATHER who created everything ‘through’ the Son. Well, if  only ha&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-438308"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/59/#post-822372" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:04:30 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”.</p>
<p>When you err so easily in claiming that the Son is the firstborn over all creation with a meaning that the Son was the first created, I know then why you err so easily over other matters.</p>
<p>When you err so easily over the convoluted and CLEARLY BADLY ALTERED tex&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436442"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/57/#post-820731" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 23:39:33 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I understand why you are reposting something I have already answered you. I notice you don’t respond when you are proved wrong but instead try to pick out the whitened bones for your meat.</p>
<p>Just to reiterate. The verse stating that Jesus came in the flesh is rigidly pointed at those who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that Jesus Christ has c&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436416"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/56/#post-820704" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:10:52 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Nick..</p>
<p>Jesus sent the disciples ‘into the world’, sent them to oppose the evil and Satan’s regime.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:43:07 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi t8, what you should conclude is that you are deliberately mistaking two different things concerning ‘came (or coming) in the flesh’.</p>
<p>In John 1, the ‘WORD’ of God, God’s Promise to send a Saviour took on flesh, came true.</p>
<p>The second point was against those who refused to believe that Jesus the saviour had come (died and rose again). There wer&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436392"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/55/#post-820682" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:50:29 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Gene, trinity certain makes a false image of the Son of God: ‘Jesus, a man sanctified by God’&#8230;</p>
<p>When scriptures calls Jesus, ‘a Man’, Trinitarians ignore it. They, instead, try to force innocent verses to claim that Jesus is saying he is God&#8230;even when Jesus goes out of his way to say, ‘I am not God’.</p>
<p>In fact, Jesus saying, ‘I AM not G&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436367"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/54/#post-820657" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2018 21:40:30 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, yes, Jesus BECAME ‘The Christ’ at his baptism at the river Jordan. You rightly state that it means, ‘Anointed ’, which is exactly what occurred to him.</p>
<p>But it also means, ‘Chosen One’.</p>
<p>If Jesus was God Almighty, isn’t it a strange thing that ALMIGHTY GOD should say to him, ‘This is my son in whom I am well pleased!’?</p>
<p>Thi&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436325"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/54/#post-820628" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:45:04 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8,</p>
<blockquote><p>1) The Word became flesh. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. The Lord and messiah was born in Bethlehem.</p>
<p>2) That Adam was from earth and Jesus from heaven.</p>
<p>3) The Son of God is the prototype offspring of God. He is the image of the invisible God. All things were created through Him and for Him and he is before all things.</p></blockquote>
<p>1) ‘Jesus’ is NOT who&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436317"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/54/#post-820625" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:03:56 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, it certainly appears that there is some truth in what you just said regarding mankind sinning.</p>
<p>If Adam had not sinned then it seems most likely that one of his offspring would at some time.</p>
<p>Yes, God had planned for a Saviour for such a situation: a contingency.</p>
<p>Remember that God requires a blood sacrifice from a pure sinless man in order&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436316"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/54/#post-820624" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:10:50 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, the tree of life is not a physical thing. It is a metaphor&#8230;.!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2018 00:00:34 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, yes, jesus’ body did not see corruption, did not perish. None the less he was given a new body that was incorruptible.</p>
<p>Now ask a trinitarian why, if Jesus is God, he needs to be given an incorruptible body?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2018 23:47:18 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick, you are closer to the truth of John 1:1 than you imagine.</p>
<p>Indeed, the ‘word’ in John 1:1 was NOT Jesus. It was exactly as you just said, the Holy Spirit, God’s spoken word, but do you also know that the second ‘God’ in that verse (‘It was God’) means, ‘It was ALL POWERFUL’?</p>
<p>The scripture writers knew this but, being Trinitarians, use&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436285"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/53/#post-820596" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2018 20:49:16 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Nick, glad to hear someone else state this fact that Jesus was born as a human being, sinless and holy just as Adam was.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I see you have no intention to answer my question but instead to post reply evasive responses.</p>
<p>Let me then put some propositions to you which you will agree to and I will say, ‘Why didn’t you just reply to me like this?’</p>
<p>Do you agree that:</p>
<p>1) Jesus was born as Human Being, not a pre-existent ‘god-thing’ in a human body?</p>
<p>2) That this same&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-436275"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/the-trinity-doctrine-is-an-unnecessary-stumbling-block/page/52/#post-820580" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:17:34 +1300</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I don’t understand what you mean by ‘Prototype Son’.</p>
<p>My questions were:</p>
<p>1) What makes Jesus a unique son?</p>
<p>2) What is the meaning of the term ‘Son’?</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, can you explain what you mean by: ‘Jesus is the unique son of God’?</p>
<p>In your opinion, what is it that marks Jesus’ as unique, and, what does it mean that he is  son?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:45:10 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Jodi&#8230;</p>
<p>As a last on this element, can you outline to me somethings that you thought at the beginning and how your views have changed since learning that &#8216;Strange Flesh&#8217; has nothing to do with anything other than immoral sexual activity&#8230;</p>
<p>Why did you imagine that anyone could have sex with an angel &#8211; given that angels are Spirit and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435626"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/11/#post-819640" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:13:37 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi, I hear what you say about not being overly interested in anything. And indeed there isn&#8217;t anything overly interesting in this section of the thread &#8211; it&#8217;s just being drawn out as there isn&#8217;t anything else going on.</p>
<p>The video is a trivial piece of nonsense &#8211; one of a thousand or more in which really unworthy and indeed unscriptural&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435624"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/11/#post-819638" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:47:53 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Leviticus 20:9-&#8230; gives a good idea of &#8216;Strange Flesh&#8217;, particularly the last few verses of this law.</p>
<p>Remember that before Moses, there were no laws given in plain human language. Obviously these abominations were covered by the &#8216;the knowledge of good and evil&#8217; wherein &#8216;commonsense&#8217; dictates that these were wrong.</p>
<p>Alas, we are returning&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435619"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/11/#post-819632" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:57:50 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I guess the purpose of your investigation into &#8216;strange flesh&#8217; is to keep the thread going as nothing else is happening here.</p>
<p>It appears Jodi is over-interested in the aspect whether the wicked men wanted to have sex with the two &#8216;men&#8217; who were staying with LOT &#8211; and would it have made any difference if they knew the &#8216;men&#8217; we&#8217;re really Holy,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435618"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/11/#post-819631" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2017 00:25:55 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, don&#8217;t you mean, &#8216;&#8230;discuss CREATIONISM with a staunch atheist..&#8217;?</p>
<p>In any case, my point is that &#8216;There WAS NOTHING TO DISCUSS in the first place&#8217; concerning whether the &#8216;men&#8217; who came to Sodom and stayed with LOT were Angels (fallen or holy!!).</p>
<p>The text is CLEAR AS CRYSTAL that they were &#8216;Holy Angels&#8217; sent by Yahweh God &#8211; as the fulfilment&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435602"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/11/#post-819604" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:58:46 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, I think I will spare your blushes and not comment on how embarrassing this whole discussion on a nonexistent theme concerning &#8216;Fallen Angels&#8217; in Sodom is getting.</p>
<p>It seems you have got Jodi dwelling on wayward aspects of someone&#8217;s ill-fertile imagination.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2017 23:38:09 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is worth a look. They were angels and the word ‘strange flesh’ could mean that rather than opposite sex.</p>
<p>So you are saying that you were persuaded to think that there was some distance worth travelling, linguistically and scripturally, in persuing the fetted idea that Holy Angels might be Fallen Angels because some nutter posted his put&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435564"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/10/#post-819573" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 22:23:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we could test the theory that Enoch was the first man to fly&#8230; in a chariot!</p>
<p>The reality is rather more &#8216;down to earth&#8217;!</p>
<p>Enoch died in a whirlwind that took his body miles away where no one ever found it &#8211; buried under mounds of desert sand, perhaps.</p>
<p>Yet many will &#8216;Test the Spirit&#8217; that he &#8216;Never died and was taken up to heaven&#8217;&#8230;&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435546"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/10/#post-819541" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 22:05:44 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey I apologise if you were offended by that video, but I will continue to post up videos that both support or counter viewpoints. I am interested in the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who&#8217;s &#8216;viewpoint&#8217; was it that the holy angels sent to LOT might have been Fallen Angels?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 22:04:00 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You suggest that they died again, but the plan of God is not to die twice, but to be alive forever more. It seems logical that Jesus took the keys of death and freed the captives. These captives were released to the Earth like Jesus, and then Jesus was resurrected. While it doesn’t specifically state what happened to these particular saints, it s&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435539"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/9/#post-819537" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 21:35:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think you should drop this, lest you concentrate on this too much and end up philosophising.</p></blockquote>
<p>t8, that&#8217;s very funny&#8230; I&#8217;m testing YOUR THEORY!!</p>
<p>In any case, is it really necessary to &#8216;test the theory&#8217; of something like:</p>
<p>1) The wicked men in Sodom thought the &#8216;men&#8217; residing that night with LOT were &#8216;Fallen Angels&#8217;?</p>
<p>2) That even if they knew&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435537"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/9/#post-819535" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2017 03:36:43 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Once Saved &#8211; Always Saved</p></blockquote>
<p>There are two possible aspects to this saying&#8230; The truth depends on the context of the verse:</p>
<p>1) Jesus has eternally saved us from the eternal sin of Adam. This &#8216;Once saved&#8217; is an &#8216;Always Saved&#8217;</p>
<p>2) A person saved from &#8216;Personal Sin&#8217; (I.e. Not in the category of point 1 above) is always saved UNTIL they sin&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435517"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/9/#post-819475" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:40:29 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like to know the other theories out there, even just for the purpose of knowing how to rebuke it if I come across it again. But also that I might actually learn something new too.</p></blockquote>
<p>t8, then you will spend your whole life in researching these negative theories. This is called, &#8216;Phylosophising&#8217;.</p>
<p>Proving (or Unproving) a negative is like a dog&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435505"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/9/#post-819450" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:42:01 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BTW, I think this is the sixth post now about discussing why I should not discuss that video. That is three times as much discussion.</p></blockquote>
<p>t8, ok I agree about &#8216;testing all thing&#8217;. As for the number of replies and comments as you outline above, that&#8217;s nothing unique here: How much &#8216;twittering&#8217; is generated over some pointless trivial celebrity possibly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435504"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/9/#post-819449" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16) Holy Angels MUST fulfil the task set to them by God&#8230;. God&#8217;s word must be fulfilled lest it be seen as issued in vain.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2017 02:16:48 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what have we learnt about &#8216;Sons of God&#8217;?</p>
<p>Preface definition: &#8216;Son&#8217; means &#8216;Him, the lesser, who does the works of him, the greater, who gave the works&#8217;.</p>
<p>1) All creations of God that are sentient Spirits are Sons of God</p>
<p>2) These are two: Angels (Spirit), and, Humans (Flesh with Spirit in the image of God, their creator)</p>
<p>3) Angel sons of God,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435498"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/8/#post-819424" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2017 01:39:30 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe a truth seeker really wants the truth, and are not there to say they are right and I told you so. As such, they look high and low for the truth. Even when they have it, they test it and test the doctrine and the teachers. It is the wise thing to do.</p></blockquote>
<p>t8, I agree with this &#8211; but did the video present anything that was challenging that&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435494"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/8/#post-819420" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2017 01:24:32 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, those &#8216;woken from their graves&#8217; are not true resurrections. Those people would still go on to die again. Have you considered that although Jesus raised several people from the &#8216;dead&#8217;, notably Lazarus, these people are NOT ALIVE today&#8230;</p>
<p>The true and everlasting first resurrection is YET to take place.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;be LIKE the Angels&#8217;&#8230; Not &#8216;BE Angels&#8217;.</p>
<p>This is the same error many make when the scriptures says that &#8216;the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus LIKE a Dove.&#8217; Many many many, even after being enlightened, still say that the Holy Spirit WAS a Dove!!</p>
<p>The APOSTLES and the ELECT of God, it is those who will &#8216;BE LIKE THE ANGELS&#8217;. Many, too many, people&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435492"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/8/#post-819418" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, what drew you to pick that video to &#8216;discuss&#8217;?</p>
<p>Did it seem like the &#8216;Dude&#8217; MAY have had some TRUTH about Angels and Sons of God?</p>
<p>For me, I don&#8217;t see anything that would draw me to view it in full after the first load of nonsense, let alone create a discussion about how wrong he was &#8211; especially when he cannot respond!!</p>
<p>This is one of the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435491"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/8/#post-819417" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi, sorry, I thought &#8216;Dude&#8217; was meant to refer to the guys in Sodom.</p>
<p>Tue reason I might not  everything you are saying is that much of it is pointless. What I mean by that is that there is little point, if any, in attempting to understand how much the &#8216;Dude&#8217; in the video is presenting falseness. If what he says is seen as false then why&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435490"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/8/#post-819416" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t8, and my point is that it is absolutely clear that the guy is talking untowards the truth &#8230;so why continue to discuss the falsity of his presentation when he cannot respond to explain. There are enough critically false claims to absolutely dismiss his video commentary.</p>
<p>Discussing at length (too lengthy) a false claim is to be giving a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435485"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/7/#post-819412" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Jael replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2017 22:01:36 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi, the uniting of a man and a woman&#8230;</p>
<p>Read the scriptures CAREFULLY.</p>
<p>You will see that &#8216;WO-Man&#8217; was created FROM the &#8216;Man&#8217;&#8230; Many people falsely read and say that God created Man and Woman &#8216;separately&#8217; TOGETHER&#8230;</p>
<p>No, God made ADAM only&#8230; Then TOOK a metaphorical &#8216;Rib&#8217; and FROM that &#8216;Rib&#8217; created a Woman.</p>
<p>This metaphorical  &#8216;Rib&#8217; is n&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435481"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/7/#post-819409" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Jael replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2017 20:36:52 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi, concerning the &#8216;dudes&#8217; and any suggestion that even if they knew the &#8216;men&#8217; we&#8217;re really Angels&#8230; NO, they would NOT have tried to have sex with them.</p>
<p>I think you might misunderstand what Holy (Heavenly) Angels are!! Let me enlighten you: Angels are NOT as you might see them depicted in paintings from the medieval times &#8211; nor weeping wet&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435474"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/7/#post-819404" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2017 03:43:13 +1200</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodi, it is certain that the Angels appeared in the guise of human beings. Where the scriptures states them as Angels it is only to &#8216;remind&#8217; or &#8216;inform&#8217; the reader that these were not creatures of mankind.</p>
<p>And there is no way they were fallen Angels (I struggle to understand how you came to even imagine that as a point of thought!!). The Angels&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-435471"><a href="http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/are-the-sons-of-god-the-angels/page/7/#post-819401" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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