The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    His beginnings were by conception by the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary.

    Of course the Spirit that he was anointed with at the Jordan was in the beginning with God and was God.

     

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jael…..I also believe Jesus was born sinless just like all other humans are. He was kept from sin by GOD .Therefore His body did not see coruption in the grave because he never commited a sin, so the judgment of God (the soul of him that sinneth it shall perish) could not be applied to him , so his body did not “parish” as ours will because we have all sinned , he did not need to have a new body created for him as we do. His soul (body) did die, but it did not “parish ” because he did no sin.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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     Jael 
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    Hi Nick, you are closer to the truth of John 1:1 than you imagine.

    Indeed, the ‘word’ in John 1:1 was NOT Jesus. It was exactly as you just said, the Holy Spirit, God’s spoken word, but do you also know that the second ‘God’ in that verse (‘It was God’) means, ‘It was ALL POWERFUL’?

    The scripture writers knew this but, being Trinitarians, used every opportunity to forge trinity where trinity didn’t exist.

    Look further down in john’s discourse and you will see that it says that the word brought the light of life to men (‘created mankind’: Adam).

    Now ask any trinitarian if Jesus created Adam … they will CHOKE!!! Yet it is clear that John says that the word created mankind… that is: Mankind was created by the word of God…

    Nick, look closer now… the next verses tells you that John the Baptist was to be a witness to the LIGHT… not the word.

    Now I know John 1:14 says the word became flesh… it’s not what Trinitarians have written the scriptures to say. To become flesh means ‘to to fruition’.

    God’s word that he would send a Saviour came to fruition.

    ’And we beheld the glory of that which was the fruition, the only begotten of God’… remember that John wrote this AFTER Jesus lived a reverend life, died for our sins in Adam, was redirected, and raised up to heaven. God ‘begot’ him for being a perfect Son (Oneceho does the works of the Father): ‘This day I have become to you a father, and you to me a Son’.. Trinitarians never refer to this verse because it speaks of the ADOPTION  of Jesus, a man, as ‘Son of God’.

    ’No one,’ John says, ‘has seen God’ (so when Trinitarians say Jesus is God!!!!!??). John says that the son ‘Has REVEALED HIM’. Who of these has not been seen: The Father, The Son, the Holy Spirit?

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick…..it came to be when the Gnostic’s, created it by the “LIE” THEY preached about Jesus being a God. God plainly said we were not to make “ANY IMAGE” of him in heaven above or earth beneath. An Image is a preception of something in the minds of people, it does not have to be the real thing. This false “image” of Jesus (who is a man) was not created by Jesus but by those who fell away from the truth they created it.

    There is NO REAL MAN OF SIN IN THIS PROPHECY OF 2THS2 IT IS A “LIE” A FICTIOUS IMAGE OF JESUS, which Jesus himself will abolish or destory at his return by his very own words just as it says he will.

    It just simply amazes me why you of all people here can’t understand this. If anyone here could get this it should be you.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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     Jael 
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    Gene, yes, jesus’ body did not see corruption, did not perish. None the less he was given a new body that was incorruptible.

    Now ask a trinitarian why, if Jesus is God, he needs to be given an incorruptible body?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    So the imaginary Jesus did not SEEK worship or sit in the temple of God.

    Your justifications are useless.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Thank you.

    It is all about God working by His Spirit.

    Vain men cannot see or hear God because they are not of the Spirit.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….THE “TRUE” JESUS, DID NOT TAKE HIS SEAT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, TO BE WORSHIPED “AS A GOD”, THE FALSE “IMAGE” OF JESUS, CREATED BY THE FALLEN CHURCH DID.

    Please tell us how Any other man could have taken his seat in the true temple of GOD. THE only man I know of who took his seat in the temple of God was the man Jesus, do you know of any other who has? Please in form us.

    Peace and love to you and your…….gene

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jael….If Jesus’ body never saw coruption then that body still exists correct, even though it now has been regenerated by the spirit.
    Scripture tells us that Adam and Eve could have lived forever with the the bodies they had even after they sinned had they eaten of the tree of life . According to the words of God.

    The tree of life could keep our bodies alive even now, if we were allowed to eat of it. Imo

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820604
     Jael 
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    Gene, the tree of life is not a physical thing. It is a metaphor….!

    #820605
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    The essence of Gnosticism is to claim knowledge of what is not revealed by God.

    To go beyond revelation by other spiritual means.

    You seem to take a similar path.

     

    2jn9

     

    #820606
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….what was the teachings of the Gnostic’s, in the day of PAUL AND JOHN. Their teachings are clearly recorded, why don’t you go look that up and come and see if you think that is who the true Jesus is or was? Go and see for yourself if that is the true JESUS THEY TAUGHT AND SEE IF IT WAS A “LIE” ABOUT THE TRUE JESUS OR NOT. It is their “LIE” about the true Jesus that created the False ” IMAGE” OF HIM.

    WHY DON’T YOU ALSO GO AND READ WHAT GO SAID ABOUT CREATING ANY “IMAGE” OF HIM INHEAVEN ABOVR OR EARTH BELOW. Now if i were to preach Jesus as a God and worship him as such, would i not be making the image of him into a God. Yes or no please.

    Nich you need to look up the word “IMAGE”, YOU MAY FIND IT IS YOU WHO ARE USING YOU OWN HUMAN LOGIC AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE REVELATION OF THE SPIRIT IN THIS MATTER. Failing to answer question i put to you only proves my point, go back and answer the question i ask of you, comming and attack my person only proves you are not using the spirit of God or in my opinion you could easly understand this.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #820607
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jael….I agree with you it is a metaphor the term tree means that which produces from self. As God warned Adam and Eve not to “eat’ (take to self from the tree (that which produces fro self) the knowledge of good and evil. Because that would cause to have to experience it (good and evil) themselves, So God was warning them before the actually did it, not to take to themselves to experience good and evil, even it was in God’s perpose that they do it. H even added a catilist (satan) to speed up the reaction that would have happened eventually anyway even without satans influence. It just might have taken many years latter to happen anyway. Why? Remember what it says God did not put within an to direct his own paths, just as it says “for it is not within a man to direct his paths’, so failure was design in man from the beginning, GOD used satan to speed up the predestined reaction in man, to shorten the period of suffering from evil to tach us to hate evil and love the good. All of this was necessary for MAN to become like GOD. JUST AS IT SAYS, “LOOK MAN HAS BECOME LIKE US, “KNOWING” (EXPERIENCING) GOOD AND EVIL.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820608
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Asking us to suggest who else COULD HAVE shows the quality of your scripture research.

    You have to dig beyond ideas you fancy.

    #820609
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    1cor 15.50

    Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

    Behold, I tell you a mystery;we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable.

    For the perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

     

    We follow one who was raised to earth in his perishable body but now has put on the imperishable one.

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