The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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  • #820729
     miia 
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church

    “The First Ecumenical Council was convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine at Nicaea in 325 and presided over by the Patriarch Alexander of Alexandria, with over 300 bishops condemning the view of Arius that the Son is a created being inferior to the Father (the divine nature of the Son and his relationship to God the Father).

     

    The Church in Egypt (Patriarchate of Alexandria) split into two groups following the Council of Chalcedon in 451 over a dispute about the relation between the divine and human natures of Jesus. Eventually this led to each group anathematizing the other. Those that remained in communion with the other patriarchs (by accepting the Council of Chalcedon) are known today as the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria.. However, those who disagreed with the findings of the Council of Chalcedon were the majority in Egypt, and today they are known as the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, having maintained a separate patriarchate. The Coptic Orthodox Church is currently the largest Christian church in Egypt and in the whole Middle East.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

    #820730
     miia 
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    1st Clement (authentic source). 33-99 AD.

    http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/1clement.htm

    Clement’s only existing, genuine text is a letter to the Christian congregation in Corinth, often called the First Epistle of Clement or 1 Clement. The history of 1 Clement clearly and continuously shows Clement as the author of this letter. It is considered the earliest authentic Christian document outside the New Testament.

    “Let us look steadfastly to the Father and Creator of the universe, and cleave to his mighty and surpassingly great gifts and benefactions, of peace. Let us contemplate him with our understanding, and look with the eyes of our soul to his long-suffering will. Let us reflect how free from wrath he is towards all his creation.” (Chapter 20).

    “The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ.” (Chapter 42)

    “May God, who seeth all things, and who is the ruler of all spirits and the Lord of all flesh who chose our Lord Jesus Christ and us through him to be a peculiar people grant to every soul that calleth upon his glorious and holy name, faith, fear, peace, patience, long-suffering, self-control, purity, and sobriety, to the well-pleasing of his name, through our high priest and protector, Jesus Christ, by whom be to him glory, and majesty, and power, and honour, both now and for evermore. Amen.” (Chapter 58)

    #820731
     Jael 
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    t8, “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”.

    When you err so easily in claiming that the Son is the firstborn over all creation with a meaning that the Son was the first created, I know then why you err so easily over other matters.

    When you err so easily over the convoluted and CLEARLY BADLY ALTERED text that claims that all things are in the Son and the son created all things then it was through him but by god and that it was for him…yes, I can see why years of attempting to unravel ridiculous translations have contributed to the delusion you now believe in…!

    t8, you say that you have discovered great truths through hearing what others have said, and it has humbled you… believe me, it’s a credit to you, BUT, you need to hear the GODLY Truth instead, and let the Holy Spirit show you the pitfalls in the trinity-twisted scripture verses.

    Perhaps it hurts you when you read something that exposes the reality of your wrongful precepts… you stop reading and go elsewhere looking for someone to agree with you!

    You won’t have read this far but I’ll write it anyway:

    ’Son’, in Scriptures (TRUE SON OF A FATHER) means ‘One who does the works of the Father’. For Jesus to be ‘Son of God’ means he did (was doing) the what God showed him to do… t8, The Son MUST HAVE FIRST SEEN and then done before he could be said to be ‘DOING’ the works of the Father.

    ’Firstborn’, in Scriptures, means ‘The one who is CLOSEST IN PERSON to the Father. God did not give birth to Israel yet scriptures says God said, ‘Israel is my firstborn [of all the nations of earth?!]’… easily understood!

    Typically, the chronologically first birthed male is to be blessed (and called FIRSTBORN… note the difference.. because he ‘opened the womb’) but if that son sins against the Father, another of the male children is brought forward in dearmemt to the father and called, ‘my FIRSTBORN’ (I’m sure you know this…!)

    Jesus was made FIRSTBORN over CREATION when he fulfilled his duties and died and was made alive again… he BECAME the FIRSTBORN of mankind to the Father, first BORN from the dead. As such he is also GOD’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

    And in case you don’t know it, BEGOTTEN, in this case means he has become A SON to the Father, and God has become A FATHER to him (See, ‘Onesimus being Begotten by Paul’)

    #820732
     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    Glad you finally decided to take my advice and read
    The First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians.

    It reads like Steven’s dissertation in
    Acts 7, but is a more complete version of it.

    ……..The Church age begins at the end of the 70 weeks of Daniel

    If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: (1 John 5:9)
    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that
    ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place (2 Peter 1:19)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820733
     miia 
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    Hi Ed, I’m reading Polycarp now.

    It is a matter of researching which of the so called early church writings are genuine, and checking the online source as being trustworthy. So far all I have found (considered genuine) are 1st Clement and Polycarp.

    #820734
     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    Are you referring to:
    The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians ?

    Please watch the video (two posts up) on the 70 weeks of Daniel

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820735
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….Jael’s last post is correct, think about it brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820736
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Miia….A very good and acurate video about the 70 week prophecy of DANIEL.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #820737
     Ed J 
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    Hi Gene,

    How are you doing my brother?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820743
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj….doing well for an old man I suppose. Hope all is well with you and yours.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820753
     miia 
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    Hi Ed… What does that have to do with this topic? Wrong thread maybe?

    #820754
     miia 
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    Hi Gene, I have deleted my FB account in case you are wondering 🙂 (Karina Marie) as of tonight. Took up too much time.

     

    #820755
     miia 
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    Hi Ed yep – Polycarp to the Philippians.

    Polycarp. AD 69 – 155

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp#Surviving_writings_and_early_accounts

    It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian, that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.

    The sole surviving work attributed to him is Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians, a mosaic of references to the Greek Scriptures, preserved in Irenaeus’ account of Polycarp’s life.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycarp-roberts.html

    “Wherefore, girding up your loins, serve the Lord in fear” and truth, as those who have forsaken the vain, empty talk and error of the multitude, and “believed in him who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and gave him glory,” and a throne at his right hand. To him all things” in heaven and on earth are subject. him every spirit serves. He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead.

    But may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ Himself, who is the Son of God, and our everlasting High Priest, build you up in faith and truth, and in all meekness, gentleness, patience, long-suffering, forbearance, and purity; and may he bestow on you a lot and portion among his saints, and on us with you, and on all that are under heaven, who shall believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, and in his Father, who “raised him from the dead.”

     

     

    #820772
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Miia,

    By their Fruit you will know them.

     

    Not their fancy words or their copied ideas.

    We know of the fruit of Peter and Paul.

     

    What of these others?

     

     

    #820773
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Miia,

    T8 has written, perhaps unwisely, that my fruit is evil though we have shown him kindness and given him hospitality in the past.

    May God be kinder to him.

     

     

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