@Gene,

You: them (then) you say it was saying the David would not suffer the corruption of his body in the grave

Me: That isn’t what you said was it? Going back to post #946389 what you actually said was: “AND WHAT ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAY God would not leave his soul in hell to see corruption?”

Seems you changed your wording to “grav…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: you say the book of Plams was a book written “to” David , instead of DAVID writing it.

Me: For those unaware, this is a reference to Psalm 110 and NOT the entire book of Psalms; a book said to be written by multiple authors and not David alone.

For your viewing pleasure Gene:

Riddle me Gene, what does the Hebrew say? Of David a…[Read more]

@Gene,

In nothing you responded with have you supported why you believe what you believe. You have asked no questions, but accuse me of creating “new religious thoughts”; yet these “new thoughts” are anything but new.

You need to look up “gandy dancer”, don’t think it means what you think it does. I can assure you I don’t work on laying railroad…[Read more]

@Gene,

Response to 946389. Covering a lot in this response; hopefully you take the time and read it all; the last comment concerning Isa 53 is the primary focus of this response.

You: what do you do with where it says in Daniel that the Messiah would be cut off in the midst of the week?

Me: Would you listen to what I have to say or would you…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: where does it say that the “Messiah” would do all his work at his “FIRST” APPEARANCE

Me: When did God say the Messiah was to come twice? Where in the Tanakh did God say the Messiah was to show up, not do anything HE said, but will the second time? To claim I’m “adding to the text” is false; I’m adding nothing to anything, but reading…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: but you disagree with him being the true “Messiah” something I know he was and is.

Me: How do you “know” Jesus is? What facts can you give? What proofs are available to support your “belief”? Since the Messiah was first spoken of in the Tanakh one must begin looking here and anything spoken of the Messiah in the Tanakh MUST have be…[Read more]

@Gene,

All those who have made Jesus into their GOD, and worship him as their God, are liars – – TRUTH!!

and are committing “IDOLATRY ” – – YES!! BY NOT WORSHIPING GOD ALONE!!

Will parish, unless they repent – – MOST LIKELY NOT WITH THE SAME UNDERSTANDING, BUT THE BASIC PREMISE, YES!!

They preach Jesus as a “DIVINE PREEXISTING” being as a God…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: You can’t assure anything, you can’t even acknowledge the clear simple truth that God promised that He WAS GOING TO BECOME a Father unto a seed of David.

Me: Where did God say HE was going to become a father unto the seed of David? What verse are you citing?

@Berean,

Once again you have given nothing to refute or explain why I am wrong. I have explained why you’re wrong and have shown why you’re wrong; and every time you “counter” with cherry picked verses taken out of context. If you cannot substantiate what you believe, why do you believe it?

Because Jesus claimed Isa 61:1 was about himself,…[Read more]

@Berean,

You: I believe that Christ fulfilled all that was written in ISAIAH 61:1

Me: But the passage has nothing to do with Jesus; so you believe a lie…understood! What I find fascinating is you believe something you’re unable to explain.

If Jesus was the fulfillment of this, then Jesus would have brought the message God was going to do t…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: DT, I referenced an existing thread on the topic you want to discuss and after my post to you I immediately went to that thread and responded to you.

Me: Nowhere in your responses did you inform me you were posting in the other thread; this is the first hearing of it. Telling me to go to that thread isn’t the same as “I posted a res…[Read more]

@Berean,

You: For Jesus, when he read in the synagogue, he read the scroll that was in that synagogue.
This is what Luke relates.

Me: The point Berean is Jesus wouldn’t have been reading from a Greek translation in a synagogue. This is a corruption of the text and you don’t question it. Never mind the fact “Jesus” completely takes out of context…[Read more]

@Carmel,

YAWN!! Everything you wrote is an extrapolation of your mind and not in the word of God. No where is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.

God never spoke to man in riddles; riddles are what you are creating in your mind.

Still no evidence, except in your mind, that God was the one who impregnated Sarah.

Joseph is of the…[Read more]

@Carmel,

You: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

Me: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.

You: IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI, WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?

Me: This has to be one of the most obtuse s…[Read more]

@Berean,

You: I just pointed out that the Septuagint was used by Luke, so that’s all.

Me: Are you okay with a corrupt version being used as truth? The question still remains unanswered, why would Jesus be reading from a Greek translation and not the original Hebrew? This doesn’t cause you pause and question the veracity of what Luke wrote?

@Jodi,

Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.

The discussion of who or what the “word” is in John 1 has been going on in this thread for over 20 years and there is still zero consensus of who/what the “word” really is and if we’re being honest, your religious beliefs are s…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nice try; HOWEVER, wasn’t it you who stated the Septuagint was a corrupt translation?!?! Since you believe the only true translation is the King James, why are you using the Septuagint in this particular situation? Explain why the Septuagint is the only translation that uses this language in Isaiah? Even the translators of the King James…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Rely to post 946305

Read Isa 61:1 and Luke 4:18 passages in parallel and please tell me what Jesus was reading. It appears Jesus changed/added to the Isaiah passage by putting in “And recovery of sight to the blind,”

Who’s the “me” speaking in the Isaiah passage?

Where did that come from?!?

@Jodi,

You: At this point, as you continue to show your unbelief and want to debate to that unbelief I believe you really should be moving to the Skeptics forum and look to discuss this over there.

Me: So my “unbelief” is not believing the same as you or no longer believing in christianity?!? This “unbelief” in Jesus being the messiah is founded…[Read more]

@Carmel,
You: I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277 TRUTH HURTS!!!!
Me: You have to present truth first.

You: YOU SIMPLY CONCLUDED THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING HIMSELF THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF HIS SON IN THE LINE OF DAVID, THE LINE OF SOLOMON, OR A DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, EVEN WITHOUT THE LEAST INVOLVEMENT OF THE SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS…[Read more]