@Berean,

You were told it was a singular person; now prove it. I can prove the nation Israel was referred to the singular many times, so to say this passage specifically refers to a singular person (the Jesus) means nothing without evidence. To “believe”/“trust”/“have faith” that this passage is referring to the Jesus also means nothing, as…[Read more]

@Berean,

If it’s about a person then you DON’T want it to be about the Jesus because he failed in every instance! You still haven’t proved 53 is speaking of the Jesus; where as I have gone thru the first part of the chapter compared it to the NT and have found fault after fault AND gave you sources for verification. Now who is being stubb…[Read more]

@Berean,

You really need to live up to your moniker “Berean”…remember they are the ones who verified everything.

Don’t thank me for filling in the blanks you were asked to fill in; that’s laziness on your part or the lack of understanding.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on…

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99.9999% on Earth are blinded by the darkness, 99% of all religion is false.

Where did you get these statistics?? There are about 8 billion people on this planet, it would mean there are only 800,000 who aren’t “blinded by the darkness.” This is an interesting statistic considering there are an estimated 9 million Jehovah Witnesses in the world…[Read more]

A few post back I made a statement of how the christian is taught the bible confirms itself; now I have a passage that states exactly that, Amos 3:7 “For the Lord God will not do anything in the world, unless He first revealed His secret to His servants, the prophets, in order to warn the people.” So nothing is hidden and if the Jesus was this suf…[Read more]

@Berean,

Apparently you don’t want to go over this chapter again.

As far as who is speaking in the chapter, I’ll fill in the blanks for you since you can’t:

52:13-15 – God describes the suffering and eventual restoration of the servant (Israel) and it shocks the nations.
53:1-3 – The nations restate what God said in 52:13-15.
53:4-9 – The nat…[Read more]

You do realize the question I asked will cause you to answer your own questions. This will be a series of questions and subsequent answers for you to verify and for you to prove me either right or wrong.

You’re asking a question I have already answered in previous post; I have been over this chapter verse by verse. So to ask this question again…[Read more]

@Berean,

We have been over this verse by verse before and will gladly go over it again; however, part of having a conversation is injecting your thoughts into it and supporting what you believe. Back up what you believe with scripture.

There are basically four sections in this “Fourth Servant Song”; who is speaking where?

52:13-15
53:1-3
53:4-9
53:10-12

@Berean,

You are so far over in your head! You can’t explain what Isaiah 53 is saying; yet, you’re going to use it as “proof” this “servant” is the Jesus?!?!!? You where told it was a reference to the Jesus, not that it’s what the chapter is about. To find out who this “servant” is, one would have to read the previous chapters (start in 41); it…[Read more]

@Keith,

In the Ot,(early NT) they made sacrifices( blood of animals or birds)to get sins blotted out

This is a false understanding that has been pushed by the NT; what did G-d say? It was G-d who said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and HE would remember your sin no more. Do you recall the passage where the prophet Hosea (14:2) says, Take…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs,

Welcome back, it’s been awhile.

Which side of the “bible” are you speaking of when you say, “You are talking about God’s word”?

I have been quoting from the Tanakh and what G-d spoke thru HIS prophets concerning The Messiah and none have been able to refute what I have written OR substantiate what they believe is truth with the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Of course Hebrew names have a meaning behind them, but what does that have to do with the fact the Jesus was NOT named Immanuel as was supposedly prophesied about him in Isa 7:14? The passage chrisianity clings to every christmas claiming his mother was impregnated by G-d and she was a “virgin”, making the Jesus a demigod…so Gre…[Read more]

@Berean,

She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save the people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21)

You copy/paste this passage from your “prophetess” and I have a few questions concerning it. I thought this child was to be named “Immanuel” (Isa 7:14) and now his name is “the Jesus.” Then your prophetess…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

So you wholly rely on the interpretations of man…interesting!

When are you going to read and study what G-d said or do the interpretations of man supersede G-d’s words?

@Proclaimer,

Is this another drive by commentary or will you engage in a conversation?

Your response comes from my comment to Lightenup where he says the Tanakh DOESN’T say The Messiah is to come twice and your response is “logic”?!??! Please enlighten me! The only “logic” needed is what the Tanakh says.

The Tanakh says The Messiah is to be a d…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

How have I spoken “rudely” to you; please provide examples. To say you have given “many hours of thoughtful responses”… REALLY!! you’ve peddled what you have been taught (the irony is, it’s mostly the same thing I was taught); I want truth! You’ve run from virtually every question I’ve asked.

To the “general reader”, if you can…[Read more]

@lightenup,

You speak of “veils” blinding people from seeing the truth; yet, you haven’t provided any proof the Jesus is THE Messiah (parachuting onto a verse, copy/paste theology, and misinterpreting the Tanakh doesn’t count as proof). Do you know who THE Messiah will be or what he will do according to the Tanakh? If the Jesus’ life per the N…[Read more]

@Keith,

Did you do as I said and go back a few pages where this discussion began? Mary has NOTHING to do with lineage and Ezra explains that; why did the men tell their foreign wives and children to go away? Jewishness is maternal and comes from the mother, NOT the father. Never mind the fact the Luke account goes thru David’s son Nathan and NOT…[Read more]

@Keith,

The passage you are quoting is from Psalm 45:

6 Your throne, O God, is permanent. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice. 7 You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.

This Psalm is a romantic poem celebrating the Davidic king’s m…[Read more]

To the general reader,

Let’s have a quick lesson in truth!

This discussion has circled around one repeated claim: that Jesus cannot be the Messiah because “the Messiah must have a biological father from Solomon’s line.” The problem is that this requirement is not found anywhere in the Tanakh. It is an assumption being treated as a divine rule.

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