Who is this “innocent” figure, this servant? Christianity says it’s the Jesus, but using the words of the NT we find the Jesus ISN’T all that “innocent.” Judaism says it Israel and what’s crazy is we are told who this “servant” is.

But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend. (Isa 41:8…[Read more]

If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.

How many “graves” can one person be buried in? Why are you shooting the messenger, I’m reading the original text!! The text your OT is based upon! Jump back to 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have ch…[Read more]

You keep wanting this to be about the Jesus and it simply isn’t so. The passage you question (vs9) is yet another mistranslation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew for “in his death” is בְּמוֹתוֹ and is the singular form. What is written is בְּמוֹתָיו (verify on biblehub) and is in the plural “in his deaths”, so the passage should read: “An…[Read more]

@Berean,

This is NOT difficult! I never said Israel was sinless and most certainly NOT blameless in their actions against G-d, this is the reason the Israelite’s are in exile!!! This is the reason G-d sent the prophets, to warn them of what was coming if they didn’t change and turn back to G-d. Are we reading from the same tex…[Read more]

You were told it was a singular person; now prove it. I can prove the nation Israel was referred to the singular many times, so to say this passage specifically refers to a singular person (the Jesus) means nothing without evidence. To “believe”/“trust”/“have faith” that this passage is referring to the Jesus also means nothing, as…[Read more]

If it’s about a person then you DON’T want it to be about the Jesus because he failed in every instance! You still haven’t proved 53 is speaking of the Jesus; where as I have gone thru the first part of the chapter compared it to the NT and have found fault after fault AND gave you sources for verification. Now who is being stubb…[Read more]

You really need to live up to your moniker “Berean”…remember they are the ones who verified everything.

Don’t thank me for filling in the blanks you were asked to fill in; that’s laziness on your part or the lack of understanding.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on…

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Apparently you don’t want to go over this chapter again.

As far as who is speaking in the chapter, I’ll fill in the blanks for you since you can’t:

52:13-15 – God describes the suffering and eventual restoration of the servant (Israel) and it shocks the nations.
53:1-3 – The nations restate what God said in 52:13-15.
53:4-9 – The nat…[Read more]

We have been over this verse by verse before and will gladly go over it again; however, part of having a conversation is injecting your thoughts into it and supporting what you believe. Back up what you believe with scripture.

There are basically four sections in this “Fourth Servant Song”; who is speaking where?

52:13-15
53:1-3
53:4-9
53:10-12

You are so far over in your head! You can’t explain what Isaiah 53 is saying; yet, you’re going to use it as “proof” this “servant” is the Jesus?!?!!? You where told it was a reference to the Jesus, not that it’s what the chapter is about. To find out who this “servant” is, one would have to read the previous chapters (start in 41); it…[Read more]

She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save the people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21)

You copy/paste this passage from your “prophetess” and I have a few questions concerning it. I thought this child was to be named “Immanuel” (Isa 7:14) and now his name is “the Jesus.” Then your prophetess…[Read more]

That’s an interesting story about Garcia. Satan is such a big deceiver. I’m expecting heaven to be completely without deception.
The debates on here are great examples of the evidence of deception. For instance the opposing beliefs regarding the keeping of a seventh day Sabbath. One group meets on Saturday as if it is keeping the Sab…[Read more]

Proverbs 30 does?!?!?

We’ve been over this passage and the answer is G-d is the only who has done all of these things; however the question is rhetorical and obviously doesn’t need and answer. Even Agur, who claims to be the dumbest of the dumb, knows this…and you don’t??!?

“Who has ascended into heaven, and then…[Read more]

Wow what an intellectual response; you have made me more aware of who the jesus is…loads of sarcasm!

I explained the passage, how come you can’t give your thoughts on it? Repeating the words of the passages DOES NOT EXPLAIN HOW THE PASSAGE IS A REFERENCE TO THE jESUS!!!! How do you NOT understand that?!? Why does the “christian” h…[Read more]

Not Proverbs 30…AGAIN!!!

Have you not read the passage with comprehension? Are we really using “pointy fingers” without explaining what you’re talking about?!!!?

Reading this passage we start with Agur speaking with two others and basically calls himself stupid. He then asks them four rhetorical questions; who has gone to heaven and…[Read more]

Will any of this be forced on anyone? Will people be arrested and thrown in jail if they disagree will this bill?

Besides our national motto IS “In G-d We Trust.” Are you saying “We the People” shouldn’t be placing our trust in G-d? Shouldn’t we have this on display to remind everyone where our trust should be? Oh wait, it’s printed on…[Read more]

You need to be careful how you judge things.

What if the USA had a good purpose in God’s plans. If so, calling them the dragon is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (I don’t think), but is heading in that direction.

Some Christians pass harsh judgements on other Christians because they understand them not. Often those that have a calling…[Read more]

You do realize this is suppose to be a world wide happening…right???!?! The world is suppose to fall under the beast and NOT a single nation. Your fake prophetess said the same thing 150 years ago and guess what, NOTHING!! Didn’t she also predict the coming of the Jesus twice? Additionally, every link sited is about year or two old;…[Read more]

What of the following did Jesus fulfill? To claim this will happen when the Jesus returns, please tell me where G-d said the messiah was to come twice. Even the Jesus doesn’t say he’ll do any of this! When he comes back, he’s going to judge the world NOT unite it under G-d.

The Messiah must be Jewish 
“…you may appoint a king over y…[Read more]

The question has never been whether G-d established a day of rest at creation, it is when. What day did G-d start creation so we know what day was the last? We use a calendar today to count time; there was day and night at creation. I’ll ask again to whom were the “10 Commands” given at Mt. Sinai, Israel or the world?

In NOTHING you c…[Read more]

I think I have finally figured out your religious beliefs; you believe you are “the remnant Church of end-time Bible prophecy” and believe you have a “special role as ambassadors of God’s kingdom and messengers of the soon return of Jesus Christ.” The religion has been “enlisted as co-workers with God in His mission of reclaiming…[Read more]

I disagree with your denominations teaching about this. Here is part of the reason.

Daniel states that his vision occurred while he was in the Babylon during the reign of Belshazzar (Daniel 7:1).

Babylon was located deep inland in Mesopotamia, hundreds of kilometres from the sea.

For someone in Babylon, there was essentially only one…[Read more]

Still love bashing the Catholics from one side your mouth and from the other say how much you love them. How can you “love” someone when you continually bash them; you “love” someone by building them up, not continually tear them down. We call that double speak; let your yes be yes, and your no be no – pick a side.

Found something…[Read more]

What hilarity in copying and pasting someone else’s words…AGAIN! Do you verify anything?!?!?

First, the TPUSA “All American Half Time Show” was NEVER pushed as being “christian”; that was how others interpreted it.

Second, the “All American Half Time Show” was always promoted as being an alternative to the vial and disgusting show the…[Read more]

It’s interesting that you haven’t responded yet; apparently there is nothing I am suppose to understand concerning the Revelation 13 passage and how it relates to Sunday only worship. Your lack of response really says, you don’t truly understand why you believe what you believe, you just believe because that’s what your religion said…[Read more]

The day you begin to understand what is written in Revelation 13(11-18), then maybe you will change your mind.

What am I suppose to understand about it? I read nothing about Sunday only worship.

Still waiting for an explanation of the Jesus’ words of coming quickly in chapters 1 and 22 and how it translates to 2000 years later.

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Are you denying a core doctrine of your faith?!?! Are you saying you disagree with a strongly held belief of your religion?!? This belief in the trinity is plastered on your faiths website! An entire page is dedicated to justifying the belief in the trinity. They speak of the trinity as being a “winning team”; they use the same verbiage…[Read more]

You are a plethora of contradiction; how can you say it’s only the Catholic faith that is the only religion who wants a “One World Religion that unites them all, that is full of compromise and paganism”? Doesn’t your faith try to win other over to it and if it could “win” the entire world over to it, wouldn’t you find that to be a wonde…[Read more]

Waited three days and you still can’t support what you believe is truth!!

Why do we believe what we believe? The question that almost got me kicked out of the church.

“In the merits of the promised savior”, what does that even mean?!?! The first naturally born children after creation are looking forward to a “promised savior”…[Read more]

Abel placed his trust in God and in the merits of the promised Savior of the world.

Cain did not place his trust in God and in the merits of the promised Savior.

Give me the passages of these statements. These are the word of your false prophetess and NOT G-d! Did you notice you haven’t explained a thing; you keep giving me weak t…[Read more]

Was it shame or not knowing the information in my previous post that you wouldn’t or couldn’t tell me what is taught by your faith? I can tell you I was NEVER taught this in my 40 years. AND why do I have to go learn your faith to find out anything from it…it seems like one is ashamed of what they believe or are not as strong in the…[Read more]

Chapter 6—Cain and Abel and Their Offerings

Cain and Abel, the sons of Adam, were very unlike in character. Abel feared God. Cain cherished rebellious feelings and murmured against God because of the curse pronounced upon Adam and because the ground was cursed for his sin. These brothers had been instructed in regard to the provision m…

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It can’t be the same; there was no precedence to give G-d an offering; G-d never established the idea, Cain did and Abel followed his example. This wasn’t a “sin” sacrifice as the word “sin” is first mentioned in verse 7 where G-d tells Cain he has the power and must ruler over it. The only thing that can be established is that it was an…[Read more]

Are you having an issue with understanding what I wrote or are you NOT reading what I wrote OR did you forget what you asked originally? The question isn’t about “sacrifices and offerings” (church has got a handle of twisting that without any problem); the question is:
What’s the meaning and the why of Cain and Abel’s offering to G-d…[Read more]

WOW!!!!! You won’t or you can’t!

Besides the question isn’t  about “sacrifices and offerings.” The question you posed what was the meaning and the why of the offerings done by Cain and Abel to G-d. And I have no idea “why” they did an offering or the “meaning” behind it! Can’t find an answer to these question doing a search on the…[Read more]

Just noticed, you origianlly asked why were these offerings made and what did they mean and then you move on to which one was more acceptable; which is it?

Why were the offerings made?

What did the offerings mean?

Why was one more acceptable than the other?

Why not just answer the question, why dodge and evade by answering a question with a question?

Just answer the question!

And why was the one accepted and the other rejected; you still aren’t explaining anything…now that’s truly sad!

I keep asking and you keep deflecting; give me your understanding. I can’t refuse something if it hasn’t been presented. This isn’t complicated!

I’m not convinced you really want to know anything about sacrifices and offerings.

Is that because you can’t explain them? I called myself “christian” for 40 years before walking away and I know what “christianity” taught about sacrifices and offerings. Since you won’t explain what you believe, here is what G-d said.

Why do you think h…[Read more]

I’ve asked you to explain what I don’t understand and you remain silent. You’re confirming you haven’t an idea of why you believe what you believe; you just believe. Apparently so should everyone else and heaven forbid anyone question what you believe, because you can’t explain it anyways.

By the way, the verse you quote from Jeremiah,…[Read more]

Gen.4
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And in process of time it came to pass, that 👉Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
And👉…

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I find it amazing today how the “christian” is unable to answer and support their beliefs when those beliefs are challenged. Instead of proving their belief is correct, they deflect or move the “goal post” away from the original topic. My favorite is the double standard of question answering; crying about their questions not being a…[Read more]

What hilarity!!!! You can’t even answer your own questions!!

Why where these first offerings done and what did they mean?!?!!? I asked to be enlightened and you run from your own statements!!!!

You then accuse me of loosing “sight of a CRUCIAL element that runs throughout the entire Old Testament”, which seems to be “ceremonial law” to…[Read more]

I MUST answer, is that a joke!!!! From one who refuses to answer questions!

What answer did your religion tell you? Enlighten!

Jesus has already accomplished the essential (Isaiah 53).

You can’t explain Isaiah 53; but you sure do “believe” it’s about the Jesus. Who is the “servant” mentioned in the previous chapters?

Isa 41:8 “But thou, Israel, My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My friend

Isa 44:1 “Yet now hear, O Jacob My servant[Read more]