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- September 21, 2026 at 1:30 am#948311
DesireTruthParticipantA another thought concerning Revelation being written before the Temple destruction, did the Jesus, as he said, come “soon”? Did those who put him to death see his return? The answer is an emphatic NO!! Since the Jesus didn’t do as he said, it would make him a false “prophet” according to Moses in Deut 18:20-22 saying a false prophet is one who’s prophecies don’t come true. In Jer 23:16 G-d says they speak of their own minds and not HIS and G-d spoke thru HIS prophets, giving credit to the source – HE said to me, the Lord says, this is the Lord’s message, says the Lord, etc – where is this in the NT?
The truth is there, but does anyone want it?
September 24, 2026 at 4:01 am#948312Berean
ParticipantREJECTION OF THE FIVE SMOOTH STONES
…and rendered helpless against the enemy
Confrotation and decision
There’s a storm coming, yea, it is verily upon us. This storm portends eternal consequences. Eerily, it appears as the time of trouble that Daniel and the ancient Jewish prophets, including Jesus Christ, warned the world about. Not unlike the confrontation of the young Hebrew boy David against the Philistine giant, Goliath, the people of God are faced with a seemingly unconquerable giant named deception. Likewise, they have been given five smooth stones to contend with and defeat this endtime Goliath.
The Philistines stood on one hill taunting the armies of Israel under the leadership of a weak and demoralized king Saul. Goliath, the well-armored leader of the Philistines, challenged the Israelites to send a man that would challenge him. David arrived on the scene after forty days and was surprised at the cowardice of Saul and his army. But he was neither dismayed nor discouraged. He reached into the nearby brook and loaded his sling with five smooth stones.
Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of those who claim to be God’s people have blantantly refused to pick up, and in many cases boastfully reject, God’s five smooth stones given to them. Consequently, they are overwhelmed by the Goliath of deception in these latter times.
Substituting God’s Seventh-day Sabbath
The foremost rejected of those stones is God’s Seventh-day Sabbath. Despite it’s very clear presentation from Genesis to Revelation and God’s admonition to remember it, unnumbered of God’s people, who claim to belong to Him through His Son and our Savior Jesus Christ, not only have forgotten it, but vehemently argue against its value. That precious stone was bequeathed to humanity at creation. The prophet Moses reports, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).Then He reminded us on behalf of our Creator, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8-11).
Jesus Christ assured His people of its divine value, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). In speaking of the renewed heaven and earth, another prophet foretold, “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain…And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord (Isaiah 66:22-23).
The Sabbath was given to humanity at creation as a reminder of who is our Creator and Redeemer. It is an oasis in time which God has provided that we may come apart from our worldly labors, challenges, and concerns. It’s His Cathederal in time into which He invites all to be refreshed, rejuvenated, and spend sweet communion with Him through worship and in enjoying His creative works. God’s Sabbath is a time to reflect and to be thankful for all He has done for us in the past six days. Unlike the other measurements of time which are based upon the movement on the heavenly bodies, the Sabbath is based strictly on faith. Nevertheless, this most precious of God’s five smooth stones continues to be rejected and the adoption man’s Sunday sacredness is blindly embraced.
To be continued
Blessings
September 24, 2026 at 11:46 am#948313
DesireTruthParticipantThe Sabbath day is once again the topic of discussion and the claim by some of not observing it sinful. YAWN!!!! Please note that this particular religious organization primarily quotes from the Jewish bible to support their doctrine, but the Tanakh was given to Israel and NOT the world!!
I find it interesting the above Sabbath observer quotes the Jesus who says he’s the “lord of the Sabbath”, but he speaking to the Jewish people and not the world. The Jesus explicitly said “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” So the Jesus didn’t come for all mankind. Which also confirms he isn’t the true Messiah as he didn’t fulfill Isaiah 66:23 “And new moon after new moon, And sabbath after sabbath, All flesh shall come to worship Me.”
Since all christians follow Paul, and what did he say about the Sabbath? “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come.”
Is the none Jew suppose to observe the Jewish Sabbath or not? According to Paul a big fat NO!!! So when a religious organization says you are less than, are sinful, or will receive a lesser place in heaven for not observing the JEWISH Sabbath, they can be ignored because they are pushing a false religious doctrine (at least according to everyone’s favorite “apostle” Paul).
Follow G-d’s example and take a day off each week and rest, your body will thank you. But stop pretending you’re Jewish and the Saturday Sabbath applies to you.
September 25, 2026 at 7:43 am#948315Berean
ParticipantNot understanding Salvation in the Sanctuary
Another one of Gos’d’s smooth stones abandoned by God’s peole is the Sanctuary and its services. God’s Plan of Salvation is best understood by studying the ancient Jewish sanctuary and its services. The Psalmist David declared, “Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?” (Psalms 77:13). When the sanctuary is properly understood, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption on behalf of fallen humanity becomes crystal clear.
The knowledge of the sanctuary and the lessons it teaches have been largely neglected and forgotten by most of Christendom. In the process, they have deprived themselves of the power the sanctuary offers to live a victorious Christian life. By disarming themselves of this smooth stone, untold millions fall for the enemy’s deception. As a direct consequence, they have allowed themselves to be engrossed into a plethora of false doctrines, firmly believing them to be true. In the process their defence against the Goliath of our time is severly weakened.
The sanctuary gives the only correct view of God and His dealings with His people. It reveals His true perspective of sin and His plan for human redemption from it. The sanctuary reveals Jesus Christ and His plan and purpose for the salvation of fallen man. As one studies the sanctuary and its services, all false doctrines are turned upside down and God’s truth comes alive in their places with brightness and glory. Rejecting the lessons of the sanctuary is tantamount to leaving in the brook another of God’s precious five smooth stones.
September 25, 2026 at 7:58 am#948316Berean
Participant@ DT
The seventh-day Sabbath was instituted at Creation for all humanity, not for a single nation.
Origin and universal scope
Creation: According to the biblical account in Genesis, God rested on the seventh day after completing the universe, blessing and sanctifying that day 👉before the existence of any Jew or patriarch.
👉An institution for humanity:
Movements and theologians who uphold this view point out that the Bible describes the seventh-day Sabbath as a universal gift of rest and a reminder of Creation, intended for humanity as a whole. The teaching of Jesus—”The Sabbath was made for man”: In the Gospel of Mark (2:27), Jesus articulates this fundamental principle to convey that Sabbath rest is a benevolent provision from God for human well-being and physical and spiritual health, rather than an oppressive, legalistic yoke.
September 26, 2026 at 1:30 am#948317
DesireTruthParticipantThe seventh-day Sabbath was instituted at Creation for all humanity, not for a single nation.
Did you not read my last sentence of my last post? I explicitly said to follow G-d’s example of resting and your body will thank you for it. Did comprehension fail you at that moment or did you not read all that I wrote? I’ve asked you in the past to tell me what specific day of the week G-d finished creation and you remained silent. What day did G-d finish that correlates to our calender today? Obviously no one knows; at creation HE established the seven day week and after working for six of those days, take a single day of the week and rest…HIS example.
You’ll also note in Genesis 2:3 G-d made this day holy, sanctified it, set it apart, distinguished it from the others; HE made it a day of rest, because that was the example HE set. However, nowhere in the passage does it state to stop all work and spend the day in worship of G-d. G-d later established “the Torah” for the nation of Israel as a guide to how they where to worship HIM AND how to treat those around them; READ THE LAWS GIVEN TO ISRAEL I gave you a link, did you take the time and read all those “burdensome laws”? It was within the Torah G-d established a specific day of rest for the nation and how they were to observe it.
Stop pretending your Jewish and the Saturday Sabbath applies to you as it is written in the Torah, it was given to Israel and not world; Paul confirmed that. So to continually post about the Saturday Sabbath observance because that’s what G-d told the nation of Israel to do and apply it to yourself is wrong! Unless you can provide a passage that states otherwise (won’t be holding my breath). Then to call all other “christian” faith sinful or disconnected from G-d because they don’t do as you do is also wrong and the fact you don’t see that means one thing, your brainwashed! Nowhere does the bible state the gentile is to observe the Jewish laws and that’s what your faith is demanding all others do as you hyper-focus on the 4th Command given to Israel.
Do you really not see this???
September 26, 2026 at 7:34 am#948318Berean
ParticipantIsa.56
[1] Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
[7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer👉 for all people.September 27, 2026 at 9:28 am#948319Berean
ParticipantDenying the truth about the state of the dead
Another smooth stone that God’s people have refused to load in their sling is that of the true state of the dead. Merriman-Webster defines death as a permanent cessation of all vital functions. It is consistent with God’s word. The wise man Solomon informs us: “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6).
Again, this stone has not only been abandoned in deception’s ditch; but is desparately objected to by almost all humanity who passionately believe that when you die you are not really dead. This notion can be traced back to the Biblical creation narrative where humanity’s progenators were warned that should they disobey their Creator they will be permanately separated from HIm. Like most of the world today, they listened to the master deceiver called Satan who informed them that by believing him instead of their Creator they would become wiser and live forever.
Because of the wholesale abandonment of this smooth stones billions believe that their dead loved ones are walking around, looking down upon the from some parallel universe where they will join them someday when they also die. But Creator God through His prophet Moses lets us know that this belief is not only deceptive, but dangerous: “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).
The prohibitions given to God’s people against communicating with the dead have been overwhelmingly rejected by most humaniry, including untold millions claiming to be God’s people. They have forfeited the stone provided them to slay the Goliath of endtime deception.
September 28, 2026 at 7:39 am#948320
DesireTruthParticipantWhat is the meaning behind Isa 56:1-8? You always post a passage without explanation, as if the simple reading of it is explanatory. Why is G-d talking about the Sabbath and connecting back to the foreigner and the eunuch?
You have found an interesting passage, but the meaning goes way beyond what you seem to be suggesting it says (once again no explanation, so all I can do is guess); it would seem you believe the foreigner is also suppose to observe the Sabbath. A simple reading of the passage would suggest that because it says, “Neither let the foreigner, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, “Yahweh will surely separate me from his people” and this continues from vs2 where keeping the Sabbath is mentioned. The passage is stating the foreigner who observes the Sabbath will not be treated as separate from G-d’s people and that’s where you stop, but you MUST keep reading.
It is conditional for a none Jew, who is an outsider, to be included in G-d’s house and it’s not simply observing the Sabbath. “As for the foreigners who attach themselves to the LORD, to minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants, all who keep the sabbath and do not profane it, and who hold fast to My covenant. I will bring them to My sacred mount.” A none Jew must first attach themselves to G-d, serve HIM, love HIS name (above all other names, no gods before HIM – cough, cough, “the Jesus”), to be HIS servant, keep the Sabbath and not profane it, and be faithful to G-d’s covenant. To be included in G-d house, G-d says the none Jew must follow these six things Isaiah wrote. Can one skip any of these items and be allowed into G-d’s house?
Have you attached/joined yourself to G-d?
Do you serve G-d alone?
Do you love the name of HIM who created all things?
Are you HIS servant?
Do you know how to keep the Sabbath so as NOT to profane it?
Do you faithfully keep G-d’s covenant?
Since Isaiah never explains how this is accomplished by the none Jew; how does one find out what this means and how a none Jew can be included in G-d’s house? I suppose if one wants to know how to follow what’s written one MUST be who Zechariah is speaking of when he writes “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’” That is to seek out a Jew who’s suppose to know. It doesn’t seem like we are there where the Jew is willing to teach, if they even know how at this point, or the none Jew is willing to seek out and listen to the Jew.
There is so much your religion doesn’t tell you, either because they don’t know or they don’t want you to know; this is why I keep saying to verify everything that is taught.
October 18, 2026 at 11:22 pm#948322Berean
ParticipantIs Satan immortal?
Is Satan immortal? The Bible states that God “alone has immortality” (1 Timothy 6:13–16). This means that no creature possesses immortality. As a created angel, this fact applies to Satan, formerly known as Lucifer, who once held the highest position among the angels.
Also, the Bible directly states that “the soul who sins shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20). Nephesh, the Hebrew word from which we get the word “soul,” includes the meaning of “creature” and “living being.” So this verse applies not only to human beings, but also to angels. Not only has Satan sinned, he is the originator of sin. Jesus said to wicked religious leaders, “You are of your father the devil. … He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth” (John 8:44). Since Satan is a living being, and since he is the originator of sin, he will certainly experience the consequence of sin, which is death. After all, the “wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).
Jesus spoke of “the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). Does this mean that Satan will burn forever in eternal misery? There is a Bible passage that explains both parts of the question. God, speaking to Satan, said, “By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; and I destroyed you, O covering cherub. … I brought fire from your midst; it devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who saw you” (Ezekiel 28:16–18).
Is Satan immortal? God said that Satan would be devoured. Will Satan burn forever in hellfire? God said that in the sight of everyone, Satan will be turned to ashes.
October 19, 2026 at 2:05 am#948323
DesireTruthParticipantIs Satan immortal?
Does it matter?? This is the type of nonsense that creates religions.You quote (copy/paste what someone told you to believe) the passage from Ezk 28:16-18 and because it says “cherub” it must automatically refer to angels because angels are called cherubs. Did you read the passage in the context it was written?!?!? Did you begin in verse 11 where it explicitly states who this passage is directed to?!?! “Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, So said the Lord God: You are the one who engraves images, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.” This passage is directed to the king of Tyre and NOT an angel. Can you explain when the shift happened from the king to Satan?
Isn’t amazing how easily people are fooled into believing something; it’s what happens when one fails to verify what they are told is truth and become the gullible masses.
October 19, 2026 at 2:13 am#948324
DesireTruthParticipantAlmost three weeks ago I asked you six simple questions about being included into G-d’s house; what’s the matter, you have no response?? Isaiah never explains, so what are you doing to accomplished all of them?
Have you attached/joined yourself to G-d?
Do you serve G-d alone?
Do you love the name of HIM who created all things?
Are you HIS servant?
Do you know how to keep the Sabbath so as NOT to profane it?
Do you faithfully keep G-d’s covenant?
October 20, 2026 at 3:02 am#948325Berean
ParticipantDANIEL 9
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem👉 UNTO THE MESSIAH THE PTINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” Daniel 9:25
In fulfilling God’s command, three kings of Persia would need to make decrees regarding the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
Ezra 6:14 “And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.”The final decree, that of Artaxerxes, is recorded in Ezra 7, and went into effect in the autumn of 457 BC
457 BC + 2300 years =1844 AD
The Messiah was to appear after seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. That is sixty-nine weeks of prophetic time.“And after threescore and two weeks 👉SHALL THE MESSIAH BE CUT OFF 👉but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come SHALL DESTROY THE CITY AND THE SANCTUARY; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.” Daniel 9:26
Sixty-nine weeks are 483 prophetic days; 483 literal years. From the autumn of 457 BC, 483 years takes us to the autumn of AD 27. According to the prophecy, that is when the Messiah would appear. “Messiah” is the Hebrew word for “Anointed one”. The Bible tells us that “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power.” Acts 10:38. That anointing took place at His baptism (John 1:32). Jesus was baptized in the autumn of AD 27, the precise time foretold in Daniel’s prophecy.
After Jesus was baptized, and God sent a special anointing of the Holy Spirit, then He was the Messiah, which means Anointed One. “He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.” John 1:41
Over 300 Prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus life and ministry!
As Jesus began His public ministry, He showed His awareness of His prophetic dateline from Daniel’s Prophecy. “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” Mark 1:15
Paul said that Jesus came right on schedule. “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.” Galatians 4:4In the ‘middle of the week’ Jesus’ death on the cross as the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world, brought to fulfillment the sanctuary sin offerings and the Passover Lamb, and thus brought them forever to an end. Although the unbelieving priests continued to offer sacrifices for a while, these ceremonies no longer had any meaning.
“And he (Messiah)👉 shall CONFIRM THE COVENANT with many for one week: and in the midst of the week HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICES AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Daniel 9:27
That “week” would be the last seven years of the “70-week” portion of the prophecy. It extended from the autumn of AD 27 to the autumn of AD 34.
In the spring of AD 31, exactly half way through that seven-year period, Jesus brought to an end the whole system of sacrifices and oblations, by offering Himself as the Lamb of God, to whom the whole sacrificial system had pointed.
On the 14th day of the 1st month at 3 PM; Jesus our Passover was slain for us; this was an exact fulfillment!Also, as we see in Verse 26; it is telling us that because of the rejection of ‘Messiah’ the Prince, the city and temple would be destroyed. This finally occurred in AD 70, but no Christians perished in that siege because they believed the warning Jesus had given, recorded in Matthew 24. Thus they fled from the city, when they saw the signal Jesus told them to watch for, before the final siege happened.
An amazing event happened in the temple in Jerusalem when Jesus died at the exact time for the sacrifice of the Passover Lamb, which signified that its ritual services would never again have any meaning. “And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” Matthew 27:51
October 20, 2026 at 10:36 am#948326
DesireTruthParticipantOver 300 Prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus life and ministry!
I am still waiting for you or anyone to prove the Jesus is the true Messiah; why is this such a difficult question for the “believing” christian? You parrot the Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies, please provide the prophecy the Messiah was to commit suicide to be the propitiation for the sins of mankind. Can you even name 20 prophecies and give the Tanakh reference for each??
October 21, 2026 at 3:11 am#948327Berean
ParticipantIsaiah 53
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for👉HE WAS CUT OFF 👈out of the land of the living: 👉FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE was he stricken.DANIEL 9
And after threescore and two weeks 👉SHALL THE MESSIAH BE CUT OFF,BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF: 👈and the people of the prince that shall come👉 shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ..👈
CUT OFF,BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF
FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE was he stricken.
.October 21, 2026 at 6:01 am#948328
DesireTruthParticipantI see you couldn’t come up with a measly 20 prophecies the Jesus supposedly fulfilled…go figure! Should I have expected anything less?
The christian has to be one of the most gullible species on the planet; Isa 53 isn’t about a messiah figure, that was made up by the catholic church (the origin of ALL christian faiths). Can you prove it’s about a messiah figure, and the answer is a big fat NO!! You can’t even explain who is speaking where in this Servant Song.
Daniel 9 is a prophecy about the destruction of the Temple, even the Jesus quotes Daniel in Matthew 24 when he is talking about the Temple’s destruction; he lied to that generation about seeing his return; rendering him a false prophet as what he said didn’t come true. One also has to read the entire chapter of Daniel to understand what is happening at the end and why he was so distraught; but not the christian, they only have to focus on a few verses and make up an interpretation and forget the context of the entire passage. You’ll also have to explain why “anointed one” in Daniel 9:25,26 is translated as messiah in the king Jimmy when in every other place “anointed one” is used and isn’t translated as “messiah.” The reason for this “messiah” interpretation was to make this passage sound like the Jesus. Did you know King Cyrus was called G-d’s anointed one, weren’t all the priests referred as G-d’s anointed, and what about the Israelite kings? Since they were all called mashiach, which in English is translated to messiah, there have been MANY messiahs.
You still haven’t proved the Jesus is the true Messiah; if the Jesus was the true Messiah and supposedly died for the sins of mankind, why did G-d say that no one can take on the sins of another and the wicked are responsible for their sins. The Jesus dying for the sins of others sounds like a direct conflict to what G-d said. Please provide the passage that says G-d change HIS mind!
Why do people refuse to verify anything they are told, completely perplexed!!
October 21, 2026 at 6:57 am#948329Berean
Participant[Dan. 11:22]
And like the arms of a flood, they shall be overwhelmed before him (Rome) and broken; yes, even the Prince of the covenant.
Indeed, the “Prince of the covenant” would also be broken during this period of Rome. Daniel 9:25–27 shows that the Prince of the covenant will be cut off in the middle of the week. The information contained in these verses clearly identifies this kingdom that will “establish the vision”—this kingdom referred to as the “violent men among your own people.” The kingdom that will exalt itself and ultimately collapse is Rome.
October 21, 2026 at 7:16 am#948330Berean
ParticipantIf Daniel is a false prophet, one might wonder why his writings have a place in the Hebrew Bible.
October 21, 2026 at 8:19 am#948331
DesireTruthParticipantDo you comprehend what you are told or read?? Nowhere did I insinuate Daniel was a liar; I said the Jesus was the liar!
The Jesus lied because what he said never happened. He told his disciples that they would see the Temple destroyed and he would return after that. It’s written in black and white, read Matthew 24; the Jesus tells the disciples they will be persecuted, hated, and even killed. He continues telling them when they see the “abomination of desolation” that Daniel speaks of (vs15) and it is then they are to run for the hills. He predicts there will be great suffering (Josephus gives a graphic account in the ‘War of the Jews’) and then tells them not to be deceived by false messiahs and prophets. The Jesus then says immediately after this suffering he would return. He tells the disciples “when you see all these things, know that he (the returning Jesus) is near.” Next he says to them, “I tell you the truth (but did he?!?!), this generation (the disciples generation) will not pass away until all these things take place.” All the things described happened in the first century and no the Jesus.
The Jesus never returned in the time table he told his disciples that he would and you’re going to tell me that isn’t a lie?!?!? Now prove the Jesus wasn’t a liar!
October 21, 2026 at 8:55 am#948332Berean
ParticipantYou do not understand anything about what Jesus prophesied regarding the temple or His return, because you take an overly narrow view of what is foretold—specifically in Daniel 9.
That passage speaks of much more than just the rebuilding of the first temple; as I showed you in the verses, it foretells the coming of the Messiah, His death, the confirmation of the covenant, and the destruction of the temple by the Romans.
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (AD 31), but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (AD 70).
And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (AD 27–AD 34): and in the midst of the week (AD 31) He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.
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