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Hi cubes,
“True worshipers will worship in spirit and in truth”
That is very personal. God, by His Spirit lives in us and helps us worship the Father as in Romans 8.
Abiding in the Word and letting the Spirit teach us from within and allowing our bodies to be used of the Spirit to preach through us the Word of truth is the walk of faith.
Being a signpost on the road or a beacon on the hill showing the light of God to all who are searching is our role. Some cast stones at the signposts and beacons showing the love of God is not in them just as foolish ignorant children do.Amen, Nick.
There is much more to worship than song…which to me is the icing on the cake. God already owns the cattle on a thousand hills and there is nothing we can give to him that he doesn't already own.
And this is his commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him and by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit hom He has given us.
1 John 3:23-24Funny, it doesn't say that we should believe in what sort of being Jesus is, only that he is the Son of God sent by God with a message from God to us. That's simple enough I think.
Hi cubes,
The message of salvation is simple-for children. It is men who destroy the simplicity and distort that message. They refuse to enter the kingdom themselves and actively try to lead others after them into the mists of deep darkness and the swamps and pits of confusion.Worship of Christ:
John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Ephesians 5: 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Prayer to Jesus Christ:
2 Corinthians 12:8 – For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2005,02:48) Hi FYI,
Honour is not worship.
Really Nick?Back to the drawing board for you!
Worship – homage rendered to God which it is sinful (idolatry) to render to any created being (Ex. 34:14; Isa. 2:8). Such worship was refused by Peter (Acts 10:25,26) and by an angel (Rev. 22:8,9).
Main Entry: hom·age
Pronunciation: 'ä-mij, 'hä-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French hommage, from homme man, vassal, from Latin homin-, homo human being; akin to Old English guma human being, Latin humus earth — more at HUMBLE
1 a : a feudal ceremony by which a man acknowledges himself the vassal of a lord b : the relationship between a feudal lord and his vassal c : an act done or payment made in meeting the obligations of vassalage
2 a : expression of high regard : RESPECT — often used with pay b : something that shows respect or attests to the worth or influence of another : TRIBUTE
synonym see HONORMain Entry: 1hon·or
Pronunciation: 'ä-n&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French honor, from Latin honos, honor
1 a : good name or public esteem : REPUTATION b : a showing of usually merited respect : RECOGNITION
2 : PRIVILEGE
3 : a person of superior standing — now used especially as a title for a holder of high office
4 : one whose worth brings respect or fame : CREDIT
5 : the center point of the upper half of an armorial escutcheon
6 : an evidence or symbol of distinction: as a : an exalted title or rank b (1) : BADGE, DECORATION (2) : a ceremonial rite or observance c : an award in a contest or field of competition d archaic : a gesture of deference : BOW e plural (1) : an academic distinction conferred on a superior student (2) : a course of study for superior students supplementing or replacing a regular course
7 : CHASTITY, PURITY
8 a : a keen sense of ethical conduct : INTEGRITY b : one's word given as a guarantee of performance
9 plural : social courtesies or civilities extended by a host
10 a (1) : an ace, king, queen, jack, or ten especially of the trump suit in bridge (2) : the scoring value of honors held in bridge — usually used in plural b : the privilege of playing first from the tee in golf
synonyms HONOR, HOMAGE, REVERENCE, DEFERENCE mean respect and esteem shown to another. HONOR may apply to the recognition of one's right to great respect or to any expression of such recognition . HOMAGE adds the implication of accompanying praise . REVERENCE implies profound respect mingled with love, devotion, or awe . DEFERENCE implies a yielding or submitting to another's judgment or preference out of respect or reverence . synonym see in addition HONESTYWhy not obey God:
Psalms 2:12 – Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Kiss – of affection (Gen. 27:26, 27; 29:13; Luke 7:38, 45); reconciliation (Gen. 33:4; 2 Sam. 14:33); leave-taking (Gen. 31:28,55; Ruth 1:14; 2 Sam. 19:39); homage (Ps. 2:12; 1 Sam. 10:1); spoken of as between parents and children (Gen. 27:26; 31:28, 55; 48:10; 50:1; Ex. 18:7; Ruth 1:9, 14); between male relatives (Gen. 29:13; 33:4; 45:15). It accompanied social worship as a symbol of brotherly love (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 16:20; 2 Cor. 13:12; 1 Thess. 5:26; 1 Pet. 5:14). The worship of idols was by kissing the image or the hand toward the image (1 Kings 19:18; Hos. 13:2).
Hi FYI,
The dictionary definitions are not very helpful in determining the things of God. The biblical verses are–or the biblical lexicon.
So lets see how Solomon honored God – the same is due Christ:
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2003/3_3/pages/explore.html
Determine to honor the Lord
A practical first step in honoring the Lord must include a decision: The Lord is worthy of worship, praise and honor. The young King Solomon published his decision to honor the Lord through a specific action in a letter to Hiram, king of Tyre: “I intend, therefore, to build a temple for the Name of the Lord my God” (1 Kings 5:5). Here perhaps “Name” speaks of the personal God who has revealed himself and demonstrated his character to Israel.
As you might remember, Hiram had assisted King David by providing materials and workmen to build David's royal palace (2 Samuel 5:11). The decision by Solomon, however, to build the temple and the concomitant enhancement of the relationship between the two countries were not based on the political expediency of developing close ties between neighbors along major land and sea trade routes.
Instead, Solomon's actions flowed from the foundation of a relationship and promise recounted in 1 Kings 5:5 and recorded in its entirety in the Davidic covenant of 2 Samuel 7:5-17. God had promised to establish the house and kingdom of David, and his son–Solomon–would “build a house for my Name” (2 Samuel 7:13).More:
Deuteronomy 5:16 – Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Matthew 23:9 – And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Quote (Guest @ July 05 2005,18:56) More: Deuteronomy 5:16 – Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Matthew 23:9 – And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi FYI,
Do you worship your parents or treat them with deference and respect?“The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2005,19:48) Quote (Guest @ July 05 2005,18:56) More: Deuteronomy 5:16 – Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Matthew 23:9 – And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi FYI,
Do you worship your parents or treat them with deference and respect?“The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve”
So now you say we should NOT honor the Father because the Son came to serve??Talk about confusion!
Whew!
Quote (Guest @ July 05 2005,18:01) Why not obey God: Psalms 2:12 – Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Kiss – of affection (Gen. 27:26, 27; 29:13; Luke 7:38, 45); reconciliation (Gen. 33:4; 2 Sam. 14:33); leave-taking (Gen. 31:28,55; Ruth 1:14; 2 Sam. 19:39); homage (Ps. 2:12; 1 Sam. 10:1); spoken of as between parents and children (Gen. 27:26; 31:28, 55; 48:10; 50:1; Ex. 18:7; Ruth 1:9, 14); between male relatives (Gen. 29:13; 33:4; 45:15). It accompanied social worship as a symbol of brotherly love (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 16:20; 2 Cor. 13:12; 1 Thess. 5:26; 1 Pet. 5:14). The worship of idols was by kissing the image or the hand toward the image (1 Kings 19:18; Hos. 13:2).
Hi FYI,
In context Ps 2.11
“Worship the Lord with reverence and rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that he may not become angry, and you perish in the way”This vital psalm quoted extensively in the NT shows the RELATIONSHIP between the Father and the Son. He begets[v7] the son and heir[v8]and installs him as King[v5]
This is not parallelism. The two are shown working as one with the Son empowered and supported by his God and Father. Here also the worship due to the Lord God is compared with the homage due to the Son of that God.
Quote (Guest @ July 05 2005,20:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2005,19:48) Quote (Guest @ July 05 2005,18:56) More: Deuteronomy 5:16 – Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Matthew 23:9 – And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 5:23 – That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Hi FYI,
Do you worship your parents or treat them with deference and respect?“The Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve”
So now you say we should NOT honor the Father because the Son came to serve??Talk about confusion!
Whew!
Nonsense FYI.
Jn 5.23
“…He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father Who sent Him”But if you do not recognise the Son as separate from the Father how can you give him the Honor he himself is due?
So Nick in your opinion we are not to honor Christ as our heavenly Father?
Even though scripture says to honor Him as you would your heavenly Father, and Isaiah calls Him our everlasting Father.
Hi FYI,
Christ is not the heavenly Father. That is not revealed. What is revealed is that he is the son of that God and they enjoy a very unified relationship.So Nick,
In your opinion the disciples who did worship Christ should be rebuked as you rebuke those on this forum that worship Christ?
Hi FYI,
Jn 5.23″in order that all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father”What does the word “as” mean to you?
It can read in english as meaning “in exactly the same way”
but
It can also be read as “as also” or “just as”Hi,
Jesus said in Jn 5.43” I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive me”
So who came? Jesus or the Father? Jesus came in the name or authority of his Father. Who should they have received? Jesus Christ. Unless you acknowledge the Son of God and honour him and come to him to be born into the kingdom you cannot approach his Father. First know the Son.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2005,21:49) Hi FYI,
Jn 5.23″in order that all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father”What does the word “as” mean to you?
It can read in english as meaning “in exactly the same way”
but
It can also be read as “as also” or “just as”
So Nick,According to your “vague” response I take it you are teaching us all we should follow the disciples example worship Christ?
I remember a certain politician making a similar question regarding one Monica Lewinski!
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