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I have found that scripture gives me boundaries and the means to know it was the Holy Spirit which has lead me to a truth. In other words, it is not from knowing the words of scripture, some can quote it far better then I, but it is only head knowledge, the Holy Spirit leads us to the truth of those words, which in turn feeds our faith, which in turn leads us to worship.
Rudy: Your quote from scripture.
Quote I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Let's look at Who is the root and offspring of David.
Jesus (Jehovah). Seed of David
Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Truly Jesus is God!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2007,19:43) Hi Oxy,
Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
I am a very hungry man.
How about you?
I too am a very hungry man when it comes to the Lord. The words of the Bible come from God, but more importantly, He still speaks to us today.I live by the words that God speaks to me day by day. This is my bread.
I also study Scripture as led by the Holy Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2007,18:31) Hi Oxy,
Check your leadings by the scriptures lest you too be deceived.
Thanks for that advice Nick, but I have followed the Lord these past 28 years and those years have shown a string of miracles in my life as I have been led by Him and, for the most part, obeyed Him. I'm getting better at that!Signs and wonders have followed my life as you will see if you read a just a few of the events on my page.
http://www.all4god.net/my_experiences.htm
http://www.all4god.net/other_teachings.htm
There are many times when the things God has told me have not had a relevant Scripture, or He has chosen not to give me one, such as Him telling me to move to the town my family live in, or to buy a truck, or to go and knock on a stranger's door, or to heal a sick person.
Fortunately (if I may use such a word) I know His voice.
Hi Oxy,
Miracles can be false too-see Rev.
The scriptures are the guide yet you preach a trinity God not found there. How can this be?Quote Hi Oxy,
Miracles can be false too-see Rev.
The scriptures are the guide yet you preach a trinity God not found there. How can this be?NH
Why dont you just rejoice in the good things God has done for him?
Why attack his experiences as not being God when he gives God the Glory?
Oxy
I want to say Praise God, I have read some of you good testimonies and praise God for you and what he has done in your life!Blessings
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 18 2007,02:43) I have found that scripture gives me boundaries and the means to know it was the Holy Spirit which has lead me to a truth. In other words, it is not from knowing the words of scripture, some can quote it far better then I, but it is only head knowledge, the Holy Spirit leads us to the truth of those words, which in turn feeds our faith, which in turn leads us to worship.
Most of what Seeking Truth has said that I have read in the forums so far shows that he is a man of spirit, of wisdom and of God.I truly desire to have more of the qualities I see in him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2007,20:45) Hi Oxy,
Miracles can be false too-see Rev.
The scriptures are the guide yet you preach a trinity God not found there. How can this be?
Nick, this is your opinion, and obviously one that many here don't agree with.Quote Hi Oxy,
At least scripture does.
But God is a being with three beings in Him??NH
You know your accusation here is not true. You know that Oxy or no trinitarian believes that God is a Person with three persons in himself.
Does your heart ##### you at all for this!
Hi W,
He said it. If you do not agree with him why not correct him
rather than supporting his words ON PRINCIPLE?Quote Hi W,
He said it. If you do not agree with him why not correct him
rather than supporting his words ON PRINCIPLE?NH
Read it again he didnt say anything of the sort.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2007,00:07) Hi Oxy,
At least scripture does.
But God is a being with three beings in Him??
As I posted on the other page Nick..Do you have a body? Yes, of course you do.
Do you have a soul? Yep..
Do you have a spirit? Once again, yes.Are you three people? I think not.
So why is it so hard to see 3 parts of a Godhead?
Father
Son
Holy Spirit.NOT co-equal!
Quote Is the Son not worthy of worship? After all He has done for me I chose to worship Him and my Father. Joh 8:19 Then they said to Him, Where is your father? Jesus said to them, You neither know Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
Joh 13:1 And before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come when He should depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own in the world, He loved them to the end.
–Oxy
JOHN 5:22-23
“For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.”To honor, is not to worship. “All” should “honor” the Son, just as they honor the Father. Of course, Jesus pointed us towards worshiping the Father.
Hi
Honour
Jn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.The question is how much do you honour the Father?
Do you honour the Father enough to worship him?
The Greek word for honour is timao, which means;
1) to estimate, fix the value
a) for the value of something belonging to one's self
2) to honour, to have in honour, to revere, venerate
This is a huge statement that Jesus makes.
How much do we place value on, revere, venerate the Father?
The word “timao”, comes from a root timios, which means;
1) as of great price, precious
2) held in honour, esteemed, especially dear
How much worth or what price do we put on the Father?
This word encompases everything that we could aspire to the Father.
Honour. Reverence, Veneration, Esteem, Value.
All men should Honour the son even as they honour the Father!
To me this word is more expresive and powerful than worship, because it can also include worship.
This is another example of Jesus claiming deity.
What other being can require this kind of honour to be given to him but one who is God, one with the Father.
No wonder the Jews wanted to stone him!
Hi W,
Jn 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.So what does “EVEN AS ” mean?
Number 2531
Transliteration:
kathos {kath-oce'}
Word Origin:
from 2596 and 5613
Part of Speech:
verb
Usage in the KJV:
as 138, even as 36, according as 4, when 1, according to 1, how 1, as well as 2532 1Total: 182
Definition:
according as
just as, even as
in proportion as, in the degree that
since, seeing that, agreeably to the fact that
when, after thatIt seems “as well as” is a possibility bearing in mind the bias of the KJV.
I agree the Son must be honoured as well as the Father he is a vessel for.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 20 2007,07:57) All men should Honour the son even as they honour the Father! To me this word is more expresive and powerful than worship, because it can also include worship.
Amen. A great point, and well put.
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