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Hi Proclaimer,
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with/of you before the world began.
with – para of, with, from
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Psalms 8: 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with/of you before the world began.
Proclaimer, Jesus of Nazareth the son of David was ANOINTED with the Spirit, becoming the Christos for to be SENT out into the world to do the work of our Father. God had promised unto David that his son’s flesh would not see decay, that he would be raised from the dead in glory and honor, made incorruptible having eternal life, where he would be a firstborn made higher than the kings of the earth, where he would sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh being a Son of God according to the Spirit.
This anointed Son of Man, before he was to be sacrificed doing God’s work setting us at liberty, asked God for the glory he knew well of from prophecy and from the word of God that he had received and had been given to preach. He was asking for the very glory that man had of God, that had been declared by Him even before the world began. Jesus was expressing his very faith unto God, believing fully in His word that He had declared before the world was, glory that was of God for Jesus the Son of Man.
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
Hi Jodi,
That’s right, Matthew Chapter 1 is clearly Joseph’s lineage, as he was Jesus legal father, but not his biological father.
Jesus’ real Father is listed just a few verses down… in Matthew 1:18. That is why it is important to read in context!However, the Lineage in Luke Chapter 3 *IS* Jesus’s lineage to David and Abraham through Mary.
ME: Ed J, glad that we agree that Matthew is clearly giving us Joseph’s lineage.
I hate to inform you Ed J, but a genetic lineage makes you not just a legal father but it makes you first and foremost a biological father.
Hi Jodi,
“And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.” (Matt 1:16)
Matthew 1:16 is clearly saying MARY born Jesus – not Joseph born Jesus
read the text for what it says, not read into it what you want it to sayEdj…..produce where I or Jodi ever said jophes Fathered Jesus
Hi Gene,
You now see it for yourself…
Are you now going to admit Jodi is wrong?
Hi Ed J,
This is getting a bit pathetic as you are completely ignoring my questions and not at all countering my points but ignoring those as well.
Once again you fail to acknowledge how Matthew uses the words GENESIS and GENEA. Those choice words are used by Matthew for the purpose to reveal through whom Jesus is biologically the son of David and Abraham by.
Please acknowledge and explain Ed J.
Furthermore, you are not apply the context of verses 1-15 to that of 16, nor are you applying the context of verse 17 to that of 16. If you did, then you would see that the context of verse 16 would be properly read as such, “And Jacob begat Joseph (the husband of Mary) of whom begat Jesus “.
17 So all the generations (fathered by/men of the same stock) from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
Ed J, punctuation can change how verse 16 is read, it’s as simple as that. You can’t force the context based on forcing a certain punctuation, you apply proper punctuation based on the surrounding context. If Matthew is speaking of the genetic lineage of Jesus to David and Abraham, which he directly says that he is, and we are given Abraham’s lineage reaching to that of Joseph’s and we are suppose to be reaching Jesus, as declared by Matthew from verse 1, then obviously Matthew isn’t telling us Mary begat Jesus, that would make Matthew into an idiot making no sense.
I’ll ask again, (putting aside for a second the fact that Matthew is directly telling us that he is giving us a genetic lineage)
Is your position that Matthew was giving us a lineage to show David had a legal right to David’s throne or not?
If yes, why did Matthew bother at all to go through Abraham’s lineage listing specific sons up to David, and also include him as to all the generations leading up to Christ?
True or False,
The virgin Mary, in order to become pregnant would have had to have been found “with child from the Holy Spirit.”
Hi Ed J,
Gene said: If God took the DNA from JOSEPH and enplanted it in Mary’s womb , or just made up the DNA from the linage of King DAVID, it makes no difference, “all thing”, are possible with God, but it still does not change what I quoted, from scriptures. Jesus still was from the Lion’s or lineage of King David even if God caused it to happen . THAT’S THE POINT here.
Gene said: Edj…..you missed what Jodi said, she said “there was no God impregnation David’s vergin daughter Mary with an, “already existing” son of God, combining that son with Mary’s genes to make a son of David.”
Her point was about a “preexisting” being being impregnated into the womb of Mary. She was not saying God did not “impregnate” Mary, her whole point was about a impregnation with a “preexisting” being.ME:
The discussion is about what did God impregnate Mary WITH?
Gene and I both say Mary received human DNA/needed chromosomes of David, so that Mary would be found pregnant with a HUMAN child of the offspring of David.
As to what you believe exactly Mary was impregnated with I have no idea Ed J.
As to what you believe exactly Mary was impregnated with I have no idea Ed J.
That’s a lie
Please in the future desist from saying I have no idea…
because you do: I have told you at least 20 times now… “the spirit of Christ”
The bread from heaven: Christ – was born in the house of bread: Bethlehem (ref Micah 5:2)
“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith…
…a body hast thou prepared me” (Heb 10:5)______________
God bless
Ed JAre you now going to admit Jodi is wrong?
LOL. Hell might freeze over first.
Hi T8,
Your probably right.
Hi Ed J,
ME: As to what you believe exactly Mary was impregnated with I have no idea Ed J.
YOU:
That’s a lie
Please in the future desist from saying I have no idea…
because you do: I have told you at least 20 times now… “the spirit of Christ”
The bread from heaven: Christ – was born in the house of bread: Bethlehem (ref Micah 5:2)
“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith…
…a body hast thou prepared me” (Heb 10:5)ME: Ed J, you did not make it clear to me, that is WHY I gave you specific statements/questions for clarification and you did not and have not responded directly to those.
You have never once said to me specifically that Mary was impregnated with the Spirit of Christ. If you did I missed it, and I’d like you to give me the post number.
Further clarification is needed.
God is spirit and He has a powerful spirit referred to in scripture as the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost or the Spirit of God.
The anointed (christos) is anointed with the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God dwells within the anointed person. That Spirit directs that person’s own spirit leading them in the ways of God.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD:
Mark 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them,Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
The perception of Jesus’s spirit was directed by God’s Spirit that was upon him giving him wisdom, understanding, council..etc., recall how Jesus said he could do nothing of himself. Also recall that he said, “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God”.
Is the “Spirit of Christ”, the spirit of the anointed that is led by the Spirit of God?
or
Is the “Spirit of Christ”, the Spirit of God that is leading the spirit of the one who has been anointed?
My understanding at this point, is that you believe, correct me if I am wrong, that the Spirit of Christ is the spirit of the anointed spirit son of God, and that this anointed spirit son is the bread from heaven who came down from heaven and was impregnated in Mary’s womb where he was born in Bethlehem the house of bread.
So do you believe that Mary was found with child from the Holy Spirit, means that the power of God’s Spirit took an anointed spirit son and combined it with Mary’s egg creating a one of a kind being?
Hi Ed J,
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached BEFORE HIS COMING the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. …35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? ….42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
Ed J,
The BODY that God prepared for Jesus was a body having eternal life, no longer of weak flesh able to be tempted, a body of power and glory no longer able to die.
“when he cometh into the world, he saith”
Jesus did not come into the world and preach UNTIL AFTER THE BAPTISM John preached, which was not until he himself was baptized and the Spirit came to abode upon him, AN ANOINTING (chrio) made into THE ANOINTED (Christos). This Jesus, who left the river Jordan having been filled with the Spirit, was our Anointed One of the Spirit who was SENT into the world.
Hi Jodi,
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body hast thou prepared me:
I wonder Jodi, or Gene,
PERHAPS YOU TELL ME WHO IS THAT HUMAN BEING THAT
GOD PREPARED A BODY FOR?
APART FROM JESUS?
THE ONE OF A KIND!
ALL HUMANS RECEIVE THEIR BODIES THROUGH
FERTILIZATION WHICH IS
THE UNION OF A HUMAN EGG AND SPERM!
WAIT I BETTER REMIND YOU:
ADAM NEVER CAME THROUGH FERTILIZATION. O YES I NEARLY FORGOT
EVE, THE MOTHER OF
ALL THE LIVING IN THE FLESH
RECEIVED HER BODY DIRECTLY FROM GOD.
STRANGELY ENOUGH, THE BIBLE NEVER MENTIONS SPECIFICALLY
THE FATHER OF ALL THE LIVING IN THE FLESH.
ADAM SPECIFICALLY WAS
THE LIVING SOUL,
THE FATHER OF ALL SOULS.
ANYWAY!
WE TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT BOTH
ADAM AND EVE ARE THE BEGINNING OF
OUR CURSED CREATION ONLY OF THE FLESH, SINCE THEY WERE SPIRITUALLY
DEAD!
OUR PARENTS ONLY IN THE FLESH DESPITE
THEY NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH
SEX, SPERM, and OVUM.
PERHAPS GOD IN HIS
NEW CREATION OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT,
HE HIMSELF GAVE BIRTH AGAIN BOTH TO
OUR MOTHER
OF COURSE
SPIRITUAL,
MARY
THE CARNAL MOTHER WAS EVE FOR SURE.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME TO
OUR FATHER OF ALL FLESH
JESUS John17:2, John 20:17
CONSEQUENTLY IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT GOD HIMSELF, IN THE SAME WAY, HE DID TO
EVE THE MOTHER OF ALL THE LIVING IN THE FLESH
HE ALSO DID TO JESUS AND FURNISHED HIMSELF
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
A BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD TO THE SON OF MAN, LIKE EVE HAD! WHY NOT?
AFTER ALL THIS TIME
“THE WORD” JESUS HUMAN NATURE,
THE SON OF MAN
IS PRECISELY THE COVER AND CARRIER OF
HIS SON OF THE HOLY GHOST.
THE SON OF GOD!
SINCE ADAM REJECTED GOD!
NOT ONLY THAT BUT
IN ORDER THAT
NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS SIGHT,
GOD DID IT HIS OWN WAY, NOT SATAN’S WAY OF THE WORLD!
NEVERTHELESS, A SON OF ABRAHAM, A SON OF DAVID!
BUT NEVER WITH
SEX. SPERM AND OVUM VERY SIMPLE: REGARDING HIS SON!
JUST SPIRITS,
LIKE HUMANS ARE AFTER ALL BUT
DEAD
Isaiah 55: 8For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.
Isaiah 66:7 Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child.
8Who hath ever heard such a thing? and who hath seen the like to this? shall the earth bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be brought forth at once, because Sion hath been in labour, and hath brought forth her children?
9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
10Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all you that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all you that mourn for her.
11That you may suck, and be filled with the breasts of her consolations: that you may milk out, and flow with delights, from the abundance of her glory.
12For thus saith the Lord: Behold I will bring upon her as it were a river of peace, and as an overflowing torrent the glory of the Gentiles, which you shall suck; you shall be carried at the breasts, and upon the knees they shall caress you.
13As one whom the mother caresseth, so will I comfort you, and you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14You shall see and your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb, and the hand of the Lord shall be known to his servants, and he shall be angry with his enemies.
Jodi, and Gene,
HAVE YOU READ IN THE BIBLE SOMETHING REGARDING
ABRAHAM’S AND DAVID’S BIRTH OF WHOM
JESUS WAS A SON
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..I really don’t think I have ever seen on here a person so confused as you are, you don’t seem to even understand very simple straight forward scriptures, I pray that God will help you.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Good Morning Gene,
Thank you dear brother!
Something I would like to share will all folks,
Ed J has said that it was the Spirit of Christ that came down from heaven and then was conceived in Mary where he was made into flesh.
This is against what we are told in John 3, “No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man…27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent BEFORE him…30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Psalms 8: 1 O YHVH our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
What was to COME FORTH was a SON OF MAN of whom God would ANOINT with His Spirit and send him out unto the world.
When Jesus came preaching and healing he was a SON OF MAN who came to us down from heaven, just as was promised.
Matthew 21:24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? 26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. 27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
Jesus is sent from the authority from heaven, this SON OF MAN came to us down from heaven. Down from heaven is the same thing as coming down from God.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Jesus, the SON OF MAN is OF HEAVEN, he is not OF this world.
The Son of Man was sent to us down from heaven AFTER the baptism John preached and upon his own baptism by John when he had received the Spirit.
Jodi…..I wish they would just at least consider what we tell them, but it’s like there is a blocked wall planted in there minds. IT’S FUSTRATING at times, when they just don’t get it. They can’t see that they are doing ecactly what Satan wants them to do, keep preaching their “doctrines of Seperation”, trying desperately to move Jesus away from his human roots, and his brothers and sisters, by turning the “image” of him into a “image” of a God. They are doing exactly with Jesus that 2ths2, says, and they don’t even know it. Thank God for you and a few, very few, others who do not hold to those false teachings, that nearly all Chretsendom has fallen for , (the apostate teachings) that Jesus himself will destroy at his return, just as 2ths2, says.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Ed J,
(1)My understanding at this point, is that you believe, correct me if I am wrong, that the Spirit of Christ is the spirit of the anointed spirit son of God, and that this anointed spirit son is the bread from heaven who came down from heaven and was impregnated in Mary’s womb where he was born in Bethlehem the house of bread.
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(2)So do you believe that Mary was found with child from the Holy Spirit, means that the power of God’s Spirit took an anointed spirit son and combined it with Mary’s egg creating a one of a kind being?Hi Jodi,
1) I can go with that wording
2) Yes, Jesus is the second Man because he was one of a kind; and Jesus is also called
the last Adam, because Mary’s lineage goes back to Adam, son of God. (see Luke 3:23-38)“There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man
Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that
was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” (1 Cor 15:44-47)You may in fact be learning! Or at the very least paying attention to what I’m telling you. That is why
dialog is important (Isaiah 1:18). Even more important that writing long essays like you and Carmel do.____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed J,
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
The BODY that God prepared for Jesus was a body having eternal life, no longer of weak flesh able to be tempted, a body of power and glory no longer able to die.
No Jodi,
The body that God prepared for Jesus was the one created in Mary’s womb,
(a body created for the “spirit of Christ” to take away Adam’s sin)
And that same body, that God raised back to everlasting life.____________
God bless
Ed JJodi…..your above post to Edj, is right on.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene,
Maybe if you had a “FreeWill” you too could dialog with me like Jodi
Something I would like to share will all folks,
Ed J has said that it was the Spirit of Christ that came down from heaven
and then was conceived in Mary where he was made into flesh.Hi Jodi,
It’s good that you have a “FreeWill” showing
that you can pay attention to what others say!______________
God bless
Ed JEd J has said that it was the Spirit of Christ that came down from heaven and then was conceived in Mary where he was made into flesh.
This is against what we are told in John 3…
Hi Jodi, no it doesn’t!
I quoted all the relevant parts that you conveniently left out John 3:12-13…
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he (the Spirit of Christ) that came down
from heaven, even the Son of man (Jesus Christ) which is in heaven.” (John 3:12-13)Look at Prov 30:4:
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name (YeHoVaH), and what is his son’s name (YA-shu-a), if thou canst tell? (Prov 30:4)Our FreeWill dialog may yet produce “Fruit” in you!
“Add thou not unto his words (Jodi), lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Prov 30:6 )
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God bless
Ed J
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