What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

[mikeboll64]

The point is that he had to have a DIFFERENT KIND of body in order to enter the 10th heaven, where God dwells.

A FLESH body wouldn't do.

[kerwin]

Mike,

I am not going into that since I believe the glorified body of a human being is flesh. You seem to believe a spiritual body is a physical body which may be close enough to the truth that difference is only a matter of words.

[Wakeup]

If there is no spiritual body then Jesus would not
have said this:

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit ***is spirit***.

And you think you can change that: using man's doctrine?

Are we not to believe Jesus words?
Rather than man's words?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

You misinterpret that passage. I hope you understand what:

Romans 8:23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

: means.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,09:30)

Wakeup, You misinterpret that passage.  I hope you understand what: Romans 8:23 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. : means.

Kerwin.

Jesus was very clear.
If you are BORN of the spirit;you ARE spirit.
Born of Mother Zion,She is spirit.
She will only give birth in the resurrection.

The HS will give us the renewing of the mind.
But we are still in the flesh.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2014,14:34)

Mike, I am not going into that since I believe the glorified body of a human being is flesh.

I know you think Jesus is still a flesh being in heaven. But do you think Jesus is still a “human being”?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,10:31)

Pierre, when scripture says Jehovah took Elijah into heaven in a whirlwind, tell me which part of that says Elijah DIED ON EARTH.   In other words, where in the world would you come up with the conclusion that Elijah DIED ON EARTH from those words that were written?

Mike

was the whirlwind to protect him

can men live in those whirlwind

it is obvious to me that a whirlwind does not drag you down but upward,

now of cause with your believe i find strange that his pupil that saw him go away in the whirlstorm and so received the double blessing ,died in his bed

2KI 2:9 When they had crossed over, Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask what I shall do for you before I am taken from you.” And Elisha said, “Please, let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”

and lather died and was buried ,

it is not that i have doubts of what God can do ,but it is not the way that he says in all his written words ,

Moses was send to the mountain to die , Elijah is taken away in a windstorm or tempest ,

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,05:42)

Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2014,14:34) Mike, I am not going into that since I believe the glorified body of a human being is flesh.   I know you think Jesus is still a flesh being in heaven.  But do you think Jesus is still a “human being”?

Mike,

I believe Jesus is still a human being as his soul is human.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,14:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,05:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2014,14:34) Mike, I am not going into that since I believe the glorified body of a human being is flesh.   I know you think Jesus is still a flesh being in heaven.  But do you think Jesus is still a “human being”? Mike, I believe Jesus is still a human being as his soul is human.

Kerwin

Then you are worshipping another Jesus.
And preaching another gospel,not according to scriptures.
Jesus is now sitting next to God.
There is no such as glorified flesh spoken of in scripture.

Enoch,Moses and Elijah is not in the highest heaven,but in some other mansion.
They also will be brought back into the kingdom,with Abraham;Isaac;and jacob. To go through Christ;the door.

The christian gentiles will be spirit first;the jews later.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

You are the one that choose to worship another human being as Scripture declare Jesus was and is a human being but you choose not to believe it.

Romans 5:15
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[mikeboll64]

Kerwin,

I believe you misunderstand those scriptures you posted.

Romans 5:15 speaks of the transgression of one man (Adam), and how that transgression caused the death of many men.  

Then it goes on to speak about how the gift of grace given to us by the actions of one man (Jesus Christ) will cause the everlasting life of many men.

The action of that one man was that he died, taking our sins with him.  Jesus WAS indeed a man at that time.  The verse doesn't say anything about him STILL being a man, though.

And when considering 1 Tim 2:5, one must read it together with 2:6 – as it is one long, continuing statement.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men: the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Again, this speaks of the man who gave himself as a ransom, and Jesus was indeed a human being when he gave his life.  Again, this verse doesn't insist that Jesus is STILL a man.  Only that the man who DID give his life as a ransom is now the mediator between God and men.

About those last words that I bolded, NETNotes says:

“Revealing God’s purpose at his appointed time” is a difficult expression without clear connection to the preceding, literally “a testimony at the proper time.”

This may allude to testimony about Christ’s atoning work given by Paul and others (as v. 7 mentions).

But it seems more likely to identify Christ’s death itself as a testimony to God’s gracious character (as vv. 3-4 describe).

This testimony was planned from all eternity, but now has come to light at the time God intended, in the work of Christ. See 2 Tim 1:9-10; Titus 2:11-14; 3:4-7 for similar ideas.

In my interpretation, it is saying that the human being who, at God's appointed time, testified to God's grace by dying on a tree for our sins, is now the mediator between God and mankind.

Kerwin, compare these scriptures:

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

Christ is indeed the one who set Paul off on his journey.  But Paul makes it clear that it WASN'T a human being who sent him.

Galatians 1:11-12
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin.

12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

In the above passage, Paul confirms the statement he made in verse 1.

To me, Paul is very adamant that the people know he did NOT receive his teaching from a HUMAN BEING, but instead from JESUS CHRIST.

Food for thought……

[kerwin]

Mike,

I have to look through this again and figure out what the conversation is about.

[mikeboll64]

Mike,

I have to look through this again and figure out what the conversation is about.

Hi Kerwin,

I only quoted you to see if this quote thing works. 🙂 I also want to check out a couple of other things.

As for your post, we have talked about so many things in this thread, the current conversation could be about anything. 🙂

Good to hear your “voice” again. It’s been a while.

[Proclaimer]

Mike, that is ikonboard code. This forum now supports it.
However, there was something in your post that forced a right alignment of subsequent posts.
And because it was just an experimental post, I have deleted it to right the problem.

Hope you don’t mind. If it was a real post with content, I would have kept a copy for you or asked you to fix it.

🙂

[terraricca]

K

<Mike believe in a body composed of spirit. The transformation he advocates is that both the body and soul of the archangel Michael was transformed into the body and soul of the human Jesus.>

<I THINK YOU HAVE READ MIKE COMMENT WRONGLY ,I KNOW HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL ,BUT USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE >

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[kerwin]

Mike,

It took me a while to post but I am certainly glad to be back.

I think it is best to leave these conversations until they come up again instead of figuring out what they were about.

[kerwin]

T,

K

<Mike believe in a body composed of spirit. The transformation he advocates is that both the body and soul of the archangel Michael was transformed into the body and soul of the human Jesus.>

<I THINK YOU HAVE READ MIKE COMMENT WRONGLY ,I KNOW HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL ,BUT USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE >

I am not sure what the conversation was about but I figure it or a similar one will come up again.

[terraricca]

k

ARE YOUR PANTS NOT WET FROM SITTING ON THE GROUND THAT LONG ? 🙂

[kerwin]

T,
I would not know as I have gone numb due the poor circulation of sitting so long.

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