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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2013,11:56) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 22 2013,04:42) So it was inside him, and also next to him. It went everywhere with him.
Hi journey,I have never thought that Jesus was God – but thanks for the lesson anyway.
Look at the words you wrote in the quote box above, and then answer this simple question:
If the Word was “inside God” and “next to God”, how could the Word also BE God?
Mike B.It seems that one explanation is not enough.
I'll try again.
1.The word *was God*:WHEN HE IS STILL *IN* GOD'S BOSOM.
2.The Word *was WITH GOD*: IS WHEN HE IS NEXT TO
GOD.3. THE WORD OF GOD IS **NOT** GOD. BUT THE WORD
OF GOD.(NO NAME). JUST THE WORD OF GOD.Dont say that the word of God is God.
For that's not what I have ever said.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2013,18:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,09:54) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2013,14:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,08:39) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2013,01:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 22 2013,18:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2013,23:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 22 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2013,22:32) j42 Quote So what I was trying to relay in my previous post is that God's Word became flesh and not God himself. The Word was just that before Christ. The Word.
When the Word became flesh and changed to the form of a man, a new creation came to be,how come that Paul mist this explanation in his letters or did he
were is it say so in his letters
Terra.Paul did not explain about the word of God.
But john did.
God and his Word had no beginning.
John said in the beginning was the Word.This was when God's Word was *beginning* to be used by God to create. God was beginning to speak out his Word.
After God brought forth his Word,a *living being*.They had glory together in creating.
What God wants said,His Word speaks out.
God spoke and it stood fast.wakeup.
Quote They had glory together in creating.
What God wants said,His Word speaks out.
God spoke and it stood fast.if this is true ;WHY DID IT TOOK SO LONG TO CREATE ALL THINGS
Terra.Why did it took so long in creating all things?
God has his plan worked out accordingly.
Man had to multiply from generation to generation.
This takes time.
While evil has to grow from bad to worse,
all this takes time.
The seed of evil was sown in the garden,and the time of harvesting the evil; is at the time of the harvest.(rev 14:18–20).wakeup.
it seems you are accommodating yourself to your own understanding ;God commanded and all who was part of it took their part of it ,
Ge 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness
WHO HIS THE “US” AND WHO HIS THE “OUR”
Terra.The *US*and *OUR* are God and his Word; that God had *brought forth* out of himself before the world was.
God's Word,*now* a shaped Being next to God.
And they had glory together; creating and creating.wakeup.
So who his The Word
Terra.Who is the Word?
The Word is God's Word.
His spoken Word,his breath,his Word formed into his own image. A living being next to God.
He was inside God,untill God brought him out of himself.Now there is God and his living Word in the shape of his own image. It was HE that was made flesh.
Born of a woman: now only given the name Jesus.wakeup.
Quote The Word is God's Word.
His spoken Word,Ps 94:9 Does he who implanted the ear not hear?
Does he who formed the eye not see? (DOES HE WHO FORMED THE MOUTH NOT TALK)
Ps 95:7 for he is our God
and we are the people of his pasture,
the flock under his care.
Today, if you hear his voice,i HAVE ADDED THE CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE IT COULD BE SAID ABOUT ALL WHAT MEN HAS AS QUALITIES ARE ALSO EXISTING IN THE CREATOR.
AND SO SAYS THAT “HIS WORD “WAS CREATED IN THE BEGINNING IS FLAWED BECAUSE GOD COULD SPEAK ,SEE,AND HEAR,AND THINK AND MUCH MORE ,WITHOUT HIS CREATION ,
IT IS UNTHINKABLE TO THINK THAT GOD NEEDED ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO HIMSELF TO PERFECT HIS BEING ,
SO THE ONLY DESCRIPTION THAT PAUL AND JOHN GIVE HIS ABOUT CHRIST ;”THE WORD” THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ,THE ONLY BEING THAT GOD AS CREATED FROM HIS OWN NATURE, AND CONSIDERING THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS “THAT NO MEN CAN SAVE ANOTHER FROM SIN ” SO IT AT TO BE SOMEONE FROM HEAVEN THAT CAME DOWN FREE OF SIN AND THE CURSE OF DEAD ,AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FATHER DID ,HE SEND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO EARTH TO DIE FOR US AND FREE US FROM OUR SINS ,JESUS MANY TIMES SAID HE IS FROM ABOVE ,HE CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER ,HE RETURN FROM WERE HE CAME BEFORE ,
ALL THE SCRIPTURES AND THE PLAN OF GOD UNFOLDS PERFECTLY ,AND WITHOUT BREAKING ANY SCRIPTURE ,WITHOUT NEED TO GIVE INTERPRETATIONS ,AND LONG OPINIONS MEN MADE STORIES ,
Terra.Are we still about the Word of God here or the word of man?
1. Are you saying that God does not need his Word?
2. Are you saying God just needs to use his mind?
3. Are you saying that God does not need Jesus to do the preaching,because he can do it himself?
Its not good to *twist* my words for your
own gain.
I never said the **Word was created**.(QUOTE):
AND SO SAYS THAT “HIS WORD “*WAS CREATED* IN THE BEGINNING IS FLAWED BECAUSE GOD COULD SPEAK ,SEE,AND HEAR,AND THINK AND MUCH MORE ,WITHOUT HIS CREATION ,
(UNQUOTE):Be honest as a man of God, in all your ways:
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2013,14:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 04 2013,09:51) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 04 2013,12:27) This thread is a continuation of part of a conversation between Mike and me in the Who is the Word thread. Miike wrote in response to my earlier words:
Quote Kerwin, if God chose to cause Michael the archangel to be conceived in the womb of a human woman tomorrow, could we later say about Michael: 1. He was turned into flesh? YES or NO?
2. He became flesh? YES or NO?
3. He came in the flesh? YES or NO?
4. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh? YES or NO?
5. He partook in flesh? YES or NO?
6. He was made in the likeness of a human being? YES or NO?
7. He was transformed into flesh? YES or NO?
8. He was changed into a human being? YES or NO?
9. He had two different “beginnings”? YES or NO?The only HONEST answer to all 9 questions is “YES”. So there is no contradiction in me believing that Jesus both “came in” and was “turned into” flesh.
So according to you it is honest to say that a woman both came in a dress and was transformed into a dress.
or
You believe it is honest to say both a creature transformed into a woman and her dress and came in a dress.
That is what I call nonsense.
Kerwin.The Word was made,made, made.flesh.
From *flesh to flesh* as you say it is.
This alone is a strange, and contradicting iterpretation.I say from spirit to flesh.Made from one thing to another thing.
wakeup.
Wakeup,You cannot touch spirit.
According to you God made Jesus' flesh out of that which cannot be touched and Jesus soul out of the soul of this thing you call the word. Do I understand you correctly.
Kerwin.The Word of God is **SPIRIT**(not flesh).
He was made flesh,and was named *JESUS*.*(after his birth)*.*(after his birth)*(after his birth).JESUS WAS *NOT* *NOT* MADE FLESH.
BUT THE *WORD* *WORD* WAS MADE FLESH.
FROM A *SPIRIT* BEING; INTO A *FLESH* CREATURE,AND HIS NAME IS CALLED JESUS.(after his birth).wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 23 2013,10:25) Wakeup, Quote Luke 24:39 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Spirits do not have flesh and bone.
Is Jesus a spirit?
Jesus has flesh and bone after his resurrection.
Therefore Jesus cannot be a spirit.
Kerwin.(QUOTE):
Spirits do not have flesh and bone.
Is Jesus a spirit?
Jesus has flesh and bone after his resurrection.
Therefore Jesus cannot be a spirit.
(UNQUOTE):1.YES; Jesus is a quickening spirit.
He *APPEARED*; MADE HIMSELF TO BE SEEN AND
TOUCHED.
2. YES; He had flesh and bone;because he appeared
to them to be seen and touched.
3. If an angel comes and visits you;and have dinner with you
he must APPEAR as flesh and bone.
4. That does not say that he is made of flesh and bone.
He simply transformed himself;from spirit to flesh,
and back again into spirit and vanish.Is this SO HARD to comprehend?
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2013,11:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2013,13:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,10:59)
Gene,Did the Father God Almighty Himself become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of His own only begotten Son? YES or NO?
No……….
And yet the Word DID become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son, right?
Mike……..The Word (who was GOD) became (came to be) “in” the flesh man Jesus. or haven't you read, even though i know you don't believe it ,The Son of Man can do nothing of himself, the Father (God) who is “IN” Him, He does the Works. and again believe you not that the Father is “IN” and I am “In Him.
Mike how would you answer Jesus when he said that , you would answer it No Jesus I do not believe the Father is “IN” You, and doing the Works, right?
So mike tell us plainly was God the FATHER TRULY “IN ” Jesus or NOT, YES or NO Please.
When you get around to it answer my other question also, does this scripture say There is ONLY ONE GOD. Whats your thoughts on this Mike?
1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” God but “ONE”
peace and love………………….gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,03:15) 3. THE WORD OF GOD IS **NOT** GOD. BUT THE WORD OF GOD.(NO NAME). JUST THE WORD OF GOD.
Amen, Wakeup!You are correct that the Word is NOT God. And we know that something that “was God” could never become a different thing that is “not God”, right?
So that means the Word was NEVER God.
And THAT means the translation, “and the Word was God” is FAULTY!
By Jove, I think we finally have a winner!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 23 2013,09:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2013,11:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2013,13:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,10:59)
Gene,Did the Father God Almighty Himself become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of His own only begotten Son? YES or NO?
No……….
And yet the Word DID become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son, right?
Mike……..The Word (who was GOD) became (came to be) “in” the flesh man Jesus.
Funny Gene,I don't see that word “IN” in John 1:14, do you? Let me demonstrate for you how important this is:
1. Jesus is IN God. (John 17:21)
2. Jesus IS God.
Gene, do both of these statements mean the same thing? YES or NO?
Are both of them scriptural? YES or NO?
The answer to both questions is an unequivocal “NO!”
Do you see how badly we can butcher the scriptures by adding or taking away a simple word like “IN”?
Yet you insist on adding that word into John 1:14 – thereby completely ALTERING what John actually taught us.
Surely you can see that “the Word BECAME flesh” does NOT mean the same thing as “the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS flesh”, right?
Just like my two statements above mean totally different things, right? And the only difference is that little word “IN”, right?
So, knowing now how badly that one little word can twist a scriptural teaching, will you continue to ADD it to John 1:14? Or will you find a way to understand what John actually DID write in that verse?
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2013,23:07) So these net scholars are saying that “they did not believe” does not mean “they did not believe” because of their reason for not believing. That does not sound like a credible claim by whoever voices it as I do not see God accepting that excuse for not believing.
They still could not believe it BECAUSE OF THEIR JOY, Kerwin. What were they JOYOUS about? Wasn't it the fact that they were REALIZING it WAS in fact Jesus? So they weren't LITERALLY still in disbelief.I looked at the winning numbers on my lottery ticket, and I couldn't believe it.
The Cardinals actually won a game? I can't believe it!
Get the picture? Do either of my examples speak of a LITERAL disbelief? Or are they rhetorical expressions of amazement?
If you can understand the things I've just said in this post, then you'll be able to understand what the NETNotes scholars were saying. If you can't, then there's not much I can do for you. I can't “show you my work”!
(Speaking of which, that is the same answer for your other post. If your brain doesn't allow you to understand the OBVIOUS fact that “took on flesh”, “came in the flesh”, “partook in flesh”, “was made flesh”, “was transformed into flesh” and many other variations can ALL be said about a spirit being who was later caused to dwell as a flesh being, then there is no “work” I can show you. I can't possibly SHOW you that other people's brains understand more than yours, can I?
Personally, I think you DO understand all nine of those statements I made. But you have an ax to grind here, and so you will continue to PRETEND like you can't understand these things. That's why you won't actually post the nine points, along with your YES or NO answer right beside each point. Because you KNOW everyone else on this site is going to be rolling their eyes in bewilderment at your denials. And you know that all of us on this site will KNOW you are denying them only because of your ax that needs grinding.
Ed J was a pro at that technique. We could tell him that water is wet, and he would PRETEND like he couldn't comprehend what we were saying. In that way, he could avoid ACKNOWLEDGING the obvious. I believe you are currently doing the same thing. At least Ed never asked me to “show my work” for how I concluded that water was wet.
)Kerwin,
Please address this part of a recent post from me to you:
And what about Judges 13:16, that they listed? Does the fact that the angel who came to Manoah REFUSED to eat mean he WAS a “spirit”, and therefore NOT made of “spiritual flesh”?
This is why I say you're adding your own imaginations into the scriptures, Kerwin. Surely I couldn't use 13:16 to prove that angels AREN'T flesh – just because that one refused to eat, right? So how can you prove that angels ARE flesh just because some of them DID eat?
Oh, and you also never answered this question from before:
Kerwin, do you believe Satan's angels are spirit beings, but God's angels consist of flesh? YES or NO?
WAKEUP
Quote Terra. Are we still about the Word of God here or the word of man?
1. Are you saying that God does not need his Word?
2. Are you saying God just needs to use his mind?
3. Are you saying that God does not need Jesus to do the preaching,because he can do it himself?
Its not good to *twist* my words for your own gain.
I never said the **Word was created**.(QUOTE):
AND SO SAYS THAT “HIS WORD “*WAS CREATED* IN THE BEGINNING IS FLAWED BECAUSE GOD COULD SPEAK ,SEE,AND HEAR,AND THINK AND MUCH MORE ,WITHOUT HIS CREATION ,
(UNQUOTE):Be honest as a man of God, in all your ways:
wakeup.
1) my answer; NO,I DO NOT SAY THAT ,WHY WOULD HE SAY THIS FOR WHAT HE ADD ALL ALONG EVEN BEFORE THE BEGINNING ,WAS GOD NOT PERFECT IN ALL THINGS??? YES HE WAS ,OTHERWISE HE SHOULD HAVE MENTION THIS AS WELL ; IN THE BEGINNING THE EYES AND EARS WERE WITH GOD ,IN THE BEGINNING ,;;THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENS IF YOU ARE :::THE ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD AROUND WITH ALL YOUR FACULTIES ,WITHOUT THE NEED OF ANYTHING AT ALL ,NOT EVEN CREATION IT SELF.
2) NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID;GOD IS SPIRIT (SPIRIT OF THOUGHT )BY CREATING HIS ONLY SON “THE WORD” IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION ,HE ESTABLISH THE CONNECTION TO ALL FUTURE CREATION ,AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIS SON AND SO THROUGH HIM CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS,INCLUDING THE HEAVENLY BEINGS (ANGEL IN ALL THEIR UNIQUE LEVELS OF POWERS)
3)NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID,BUT WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO IT IS PAUL THAT SAYS IT BEST ;he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in EVERYTHING he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all HIS(GOD'S) fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things,Quote I never said the **Word was created**. “BORN” CREATED” BRING FORTH ” BEGOTTEN “;MEANS ALL THE SAME THING
MEANS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE BUT AFTER ;RIGHT YESQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,13:21) WAKEUP Quote Terra. Are we still about the Word of God here or the word of man?
1. Are you saying that God does not need his Word?
2. Are you saying God just needs to use his mind?
3. Are you saying that God does not need Jesus to do the preaching,because he can do it himself?
Its not good to *twist* my words for your own gain.
I never said the **Word was created**.(QUOTE):
AND SO SAYS THAT “HIS WORD “*WAS CREATED* IN THE BEGINNING IS FLAWED BECAUSE GOD COULD SPEAK ,SEE,AND HEAR,AND THINK AND MUCH MORE ,WITHOUT HIS CREATION ,
(UNQUOTE):Be honest as a man of God, in all your ways:
wakeup.
1) my answer; NO,I DO NOT SAY THAT ,WHY WOULD HE SAY THIS FOR WHAT HE ADD ALL ALONG EVEN BEFORE THE BEGINNING ,WAS GOD NOT PERFECT IN ALL THINGS??? YES HE WAS ,OTHERWISE HE SHOULD HAVE MENTION THIS AS WELL ; IN THE BEGINNING THE EYES AND EARS WERE WITH GOD ,IN THE BEGINNING ,;;THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENS IF YOU ARE :::THE ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD AROUND WITH ALL YOUR FACULTIES ,WITHOUT THE NEED OF ANYTHING AT ALL ,NOT EVEN CREATION IT SELF.
2) NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID;GOD IS SPIRIT (SPIRIT OF THOUGHT )BY CREATING HIS ONLY SON “THE WORD” IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION ,HE ESTABLISH THE CONNECTION TO ALL FUTURE CREATION ,AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIS SON AND SO THROUGH HIM CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS,INCLUDING THE HEAVENLY BEINGS (ANGEL IN ALL THEIR UNIQUE LEVELS OF POWERS)
3)NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID,BUT WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO IT IS PAUL THAT SAYS IT BEST ;he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in EVERYTHING he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all HIS(GOD'S) fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things,Quote I never said the **Word was created**. “BORN” CREATED” BRING FORTH ” BEGOTTEN “;MEANS ALL THE SAME THING
MEANS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE BUT AFTER ;RIGHT YES
Terra.Quote
“BORN” CREATED” BRING FORTH ” BEGOTTEN “;MEANS ALL THE SAME THING
MEANS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE BUT AFTER ;RIGHT YESBrought forth is not the same as created:
The word was inside God(his bosom) then brought forth.
From inside God to outside God.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,03:15) 3. THE WORD OF GOD IS **NOT** GOD. BUT THE WORD OF GOD.(NO NAME). JUST THE WORD OF GOD.
Amen, Wakeup!You are correct that the Word is NOT God. And we know that something that “was God” could never become a different thing that is “not God”, right?
So that means the Word was NEVER God.
And THAT means the translation, “and the Word was God” is FAULTY!
By Jove, I think we finally have a winner!
Mike B.And the Word *WAS* God; is *NOT* faulty.
The Word *WAS* God is when the Word is still in God's bosom.
Before all things were created. There was nothing;
just empty space.The word was *WITH* God; was the beginning
of creating.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,19:44) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2013,13:21) WAKEUP Quote Terra. Are we still about the Word of God here or the word of man?
1. Are you saying that God does not need his Word?
2. Are you saying God just needs to use his mind?
3. Are you saying that God does not need Jesus to do the preaching,because he can do it himself?
Its not good to *twist* my words for your own gain.
I never said the **Word was created**.(QUOTE):
AND SO SAYS THAT “HIS WORD “*WAS CREATED* IN THE BEGINNING IS FLAWED BECAUSE GOD COULD SPEAK ,SEE,AND HEAR,AND THINK AND MUCH MORE ,WITHOUT HIS CREATION ,
(UNQUOTE):Be honest as a man of God, in all your ways:
wakeup.
1) my answer; NO,I DO NOT SAY THAT ,WHY WOULD HE SAY THIS FOR WHAT HE ADD ALL ALONG EVEN BEFORE THE BEGINNING ,WAS GOD NOT PERFECT IN ALL THINGS??? YES HE WAS ,OTHERWISE HE SHOULD HAVE MENTION THIS AS WELL ; IN THE BEGINNING THE EYES AND EARS WERE WITH GOD ,IN THE BEGINNING ,;;THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENS IF YOU ARE :::THE ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD AROUND WITH ALL YOUR FACULTIES ,WITHOUT THE NEED OF ANYTHING AT ALL ,NOT EVEN CREATION IT SELF.
2) NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID;GOD IS SPIRIT (SPIRIT OF THOUGHT )BY CREATING HIS ONLY SON “THE WORD” IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION ,HE ESTABLISH THE CONNECTION TO ALL FUTURE CREATION ,AND MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIS SON AND SO THROUGH HIM CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS,INCLUDING THE HEAVENLY BEINGS (ANGEL IN ALL THEIR UNIQUE LEVELS OF POWERS)
3)NO,THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID,BUT WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO IT IS PAUL THAT SAYS IT BEST ;he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in EVERYTHING he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all HIS(GOD'S) fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things,Quote I never said the **Word was created**. “BORN” CREATED” BRING FORTH ” BEGOTTEN “;MEANS ALL THE SAME THING
MEANS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE BUT AFTER ;RIGHT YES
Terra.Quote
“BORN” CREATED” BRING FORTH ” BEGOTTEN “;MEANS ALL THE SAME THING
MEANS IT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE BUT AFTER ;RIGHT YESBrought forth is not the same as created:
The word was inside God(his bosom) then brought forth.
From inside God to outside God.wakeup.
wakeupQuote Brought forth is not the same as created:
The word was inside God(his bosom) then brought forth.
From inside God to outside God.prove your points by scriptures or otherwise ,but not by your opinion (s)
so i will wait until then
1. Jesus is IN God. (John 17:21)
2. Jesus IS God.
Gene, do both of these statements mean the same thing? YES or NO?
Are both of them scriptural? YES or NO?
The answer to both questions is an unequivocal “NO!”
Do you see how badly we can butcher the scriptures by adding or taking away a simple word like “IN”?
Yet you insist on adding that word into John 1:14 – thereby completely ALTERING what John actually taught us.
Surely you can see that “the Word BECAME flesh” does NOT mean the same thing as “the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS flesh”, right?
Just like my two statements above mean totally different things, right? And the only difference is that little word “IN”, right?
So, knowing now how badly that one little word can twist a scriptural teaching, will you continue to ADD it to John 1:14? Or will you find a way to understand what John actually DID write in that verse?[/quote]
Mike…….JESUS said clearly he was “IN” the Father and the Father was “IN” Him. How many times do I have to quote that for you. The answer to your number 1 question iS YES, God was also him reconciling the world unto HIMSELF. You simply do not truly believe what Jesus said over and over.Look up the word BECAME, and you will find it means Came to be. Now no one, including you has ever seen a Flesh Word that I know of any way, so the OBVIOUS conclusion has to be, GOD who spoke his own words was IN JESUS, just as I have quoted Jesus saying over and over The FATHER who is GOD was “IN” him, and speaking through Jesus, in no way did that make the word FLESH, no more then God being in Jesus made him a God, because there exists no such thing as a flesh word, nor another TRUE GOD, never has and never will be either. If I were to speak GODS words to you would that make me a flesh word, or a God, obviously not.
God spoke in times past through the prophets, has in these latter days “SPOKEN” to us “THROUGH” a SON? Mike WHO SPOKE “THROUGH” the FLESH MAN JESUS, to US?
Now who Spoke Mike?, scripture says it was GOD, and whose words was This God “SPEAKING” Jesus' or His own WORDS?, Simple logic 101, GOD according to Jesus is a Spirit and according to Jesus was in HIM, speaking his own words to us all “through” Jesus. That is the only MYSTERY MIKE, it is understanding HOW GOD WAS “IN” Jesus Mike , you say you believe God the Father was in Jesus RIGHT? So please tell us what was he doing “IN” Jesus Just going along for the ride? Jesus' Body was a TEMPLE of the LIVING GOD, just as our Bodies can be according to Paul.
Peace and love………………………………..gene
Hi you all.
Mike/Terra/Kerwin/Gene/Marty/Carmel.
And whomsoever.Unravel this scripture before you make any comments
about the Word; and God.Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the **LORD the King of Israel**,
**and his redeemer the LORD of hosts**;
** I am the first, and I am the last**;
**and beside me there is no God**.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,07:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,03:15) 3. THE WORD OF GOD IS **NOT** GOD. BUT THE WORD OF GOD.(NO NAME). JUST THE WORD OF GOD.
Amen, Wakeup!You are correct that the Word is NOT God. And we know that something that “was God” could never become a different thing that is “not God”, right?
So that means the Word was NEVER God.
And THAT means the translation, “and the Word was God” is FAULTY!
Mike B.And the Word *WAS* God; is *NOT* faulty.
The Word *WAS* God is when the Word is still in God's bosom.
And is the Word STILL God? YES or NO?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 24 2013,15:16) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1. Jesus is IN God. (John 17:21) 2. Jesus IS God.
Gene, do both of these statements mean the same thing? YES or NO?
So, knowing now how badly that one little word can twist a scriptural teaching, will you continue to ADD it to John 1:14? Or will you find a way to understand what John actually DID write in that verse?
Mike…….JESUS said clearly he was “IN” the Father and the Father was “IN” Him. How many times do I have to quote that for you. The answer to your number 1 question iS YES, God was also him reconciling the world unto HIMSELF.
So your answer to the first question: Do the two statements mean the same thing? -is “YES”? Hmmm……And your answer to my second question: Now that you know, will you continue to add your own words? – is also “YES”? Double Hmmmm………..
Okay Gene. I really have nothing more to say to you then. When you want to discuss 1:14 using ONLY the words that John wrote, hit me up. Until then, there is no reason for me to discuss scripture with a man who ALTERS the scriptures for his own personal gain.
Take care of yourself.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,16:51) Hi you all.
Mike/Terra/Kerwin/Gene/Marty/Carmel.
And whomsoever.Unravel this scripture before you make any comments
about the Word; and God.Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the **LORD the King of Israel**,
**and his redeemer the LORD of hosts**;
** I am the first, and I am the last**;
**and beside me there is no God**.wakeup.
Done.Wakeup, is that scripture supposed to be telling us that the Father God Almighty used to dwell within the Father God Almighty, but then the Father God Almighty came out of the Father God Almighty and became a different being who was no longer the Father God Almighty?
Because THAT is exactly what YOU are teaching here. Sounds a little bizarre, don't you think?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 25 2013,10:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,07:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 23 2013,03:15) 3. THE WORD OF GOD IS **NOT** GOD. BUT THE WORD OF GOD.(NO NAME). JUST THE WORD OF GOD.
Amen, Wakeup!You are correct that the Word is NOT God. And we know that something that “was God” could never become a different thing that is “not God”, right?
So that means the Word was NEVER God.
And THAT means the translation, “and the Word was God” is FAULTY!
Mike B.And the Word *WAS* God; is *NOT* faulty.
The Word *WAS* God is when the Word is still in God's bosom.
And is the Word STILL God? YES or NO?
Mike B.The Word can never be God.
But is in the bosom of God, this is where John said;the Word WAS God. Before the Word was utilized/spoken.
Still wrapped up inside God.There was just God.wakeup.
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