What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,07:40)

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,06:51) Mike, 2) But they evidence you have presented that God has a form is evidence that humans have seen that form.  If Moses saw the appearance of God's back then he saw God. Moses asked to see God's glory…. not His form.

Mike,

Yes, that is my point. Moses did not see God's form. No Prophet or other human being saw his form. That would do away with most or all of your evidence that God has a form.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,14:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,07:40) Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,06:51) Mike, 2) But they evidence you have presented that God has a form is evidence that humans have seen that form.  If Moses saw the appearance of God's back then he saw God. Moses asked to see God's glory…. not His form. Mike, Yes, that is my point.  Moses did not see God's form.  No Prophet or other human being saw his form.  That would do away with most or all of your evidence that God has a form.

Kerwin.

We wil see God face to face.
He has a face.
He can appear as anything he pleases.
God is a spirit.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Wakeup………Scripture says “NO” man has ever seen God. are you saying that is a LIE? In fact it say no man can even look upon God and Live. God is SPIRIT and you can not see Spirit , like the wind you can't see it either, but only the effect it produces, like sounds from its force, like moving trees and storms and lightnings, but you can't see the wind it self. Jesus said that was how spirit is. Spirit produces in us Words (intelligent utterances) by wind going across our vocal cords as we speak. WORDS derive there source from Spirit. God who is spirit and His word are one and the same , because his words express his Spirit , just as our word express our spirit. But none of that is Physically seen, not now or ever will be either. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 07 2014,23:05)

Wakeup………Scripture says “NO” man has ever seen God. are you saying that is a LIE?  In fact it say no man can even look upon God and Live. God is SPIRIT and you can not see Spirit , like the wind you can't see it either, but only the effect it produces, like sounds from its force, like moving trees and storms and lightnings, but you can't see the wind it self.  Jesus said that was how spirit is.  Spirit produces in us Words (intelligent utterances) by wind going across our vocal cords as we speak. WORDS derive there source from Spirit. God who is spirit and His word are one and the same , because his words express his Spirit , just as our word express our spirit.  But none of that is Physically seen, not now or ever will be either. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

Gene B..

Read it correctly.

I said; we *WILL* see God's face.

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2014,17:39)

Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,14:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,07:40) Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,06:51) Mike, 2) But they evidence you have presented that God has a form is evidence that humans have seen that form.  If Moses saw the appearance of God's back then he saw God. Moses asked to see God's glory…. not His form. Mike, Yes, that is my point.  Moses did not see God's form.  No Prophet or other human being saw his form.  That would do away with most or all of your evidence that God has a form. Kerwin. We wil see God face to face. He has a face. He can appear as anything he pleases. God is a spirit. wakeup.

Wakeup,

It is written that Moses saw God face to face and in another place it is written no one as seen God but it also written no man has seen God.  So do you disagree that no man has seen God or that Moses saw him face to face?

If you believe both then you acknowledge believers will see God face to face as Moses did for God is invisible.

[GeneBalthrop]

Wakeup ………Please show one single scripture that say a person can see spirit.

Joh 1:18.. “NO” man has “SEEN” God at “ANY TIME” the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom (or next to) the Father, he has “DECLARED” him.

Now you may chose to say that scripture is a Lie , but i chose to believe it. And if you understood what Spirit really is you could easily understand why a person can not see God. You or noe else has ever seen a Spirit of any kind. Jesus also plainly said Spirit was like the Wind , you have never see the wind either, only the effects of it. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
When the sons of God are revealed perhaps they will be different and be able to see God?
Flesh eyes cannot see anything invisible.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
I am sure angels can see God and we are told we will be like to the angels

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2014,20:53)

Hi MB, Yes none say that. There are two creations Could men have misconstrued which is being spoken of?

Nick,

Don't forget that the words Paul actually wrote were, “the firstborn of EVERY creature”. You seem to want to apply a different teaching about “new creations” back into Colossians 1:15 – which wasn't about “new creations”.

I mean, put verses 15 and 16 together. Jesus was the FIRST one created, and through him, all the other ones were created. That is what the words say, Nick.

But just to humor you, what does 2 Corinthians 5:17 mean? What does it mean for us to become a “new creation”? Does it involve repenting and removing ourselves from the “old us”?

Tell me in your words, please.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,21:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,07:40) Moses asked to see God's glory…. not His form. Mike, Yes, that is my point.  Moses did not see God's form.  No Prophet or other human being saw his form.  That would do away with most or all of your evidence that God has a form.

Correction:  No human being has seen God's form WITH HUMAN EYEBALLS.

Certain human beings were allowed to see God's heavenly form in visions and dreams.

And since angels don't have flesh eyeballs like we do, they are capable of seeing God's form on a daily basis.  Jesus himself said certain angels “always see the face of my Father in heaven”.

Do you have reason to doubt that?  I mean, where does all this “God doesn't have a form/body” talk come from anyway?  I don't know of any scripture that says God doesn't have a form/body.

And I think it would be hard for God to create mankind in “our image” if He, and the ones to whom He said those words, didn't even have an image.

But anyway, which scripture tells us that God doesn't have a body/form?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 07 2014,06:05)

God is SPIRIT and you can not see Spirit……

Correction: HUMAN BEINGS cannot see spirit with their HUMAN EYEBALLS.

God has, on occasion, opened the eyes of human beings so that they could see spirit beings. But without God's direct intervention, a human eyeball cannot see spirit.

On the other hand, spirits can see spirits. Angels can see other angels. And angels can see God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,10:00)

Wakeup, It is written that Moses saw God face to face………

Kerwin,

It is written that God SPOKE TO Moses “face to face”.

Deuteronomy 5:4
The LORD spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain.

Deuteronomy 4:12
Then the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:15
You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 07 2014,19:35)

Wakeup ………Please show one single scripture that say a person can see spirit.

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Matthew 18:10
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2014,19:39)

Hi GB, When the sons of God are revealed perhaps they will be different and be able to see God? Flesh eyes cannot see anything invisible.

“Invisible” is a relative statement anyway, right?

What might be “invisible” to one being isn't necessarily “invisible” to another.

When it is said that God is “invisible”, the statement is clearly relative to human eyes.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,

Jesus said his body was flesh and bone but you deny this?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
The entire point of Jesus showing his flesh and bone body you want to undermine saying it was only an appearance?

Your argument is with the Lord

[NickHassan]

Hi,
But as with our resurrection Jesus would have had the new body put on when he was taken up.

[NickHassan]

Hi,

John 3:13-15

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2014,15:01)

Hi WU, Jesus said his body was flesh and bone but you deny this?

Nick.

Yep.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
That fits

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