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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,06:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 15 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2013,12:09) To answer you question the glory God has reserved for Jesus was not a body of any type.
Which scripture tells us that God had glory “reserved for” Jesus?I know of John 17:5, which speaks of the glory Jesus himself HAD with God before the world began. I'm not familiar with the scripture that says God had “reserved” some glory for Jesus.
Mike,I was paraphrasing the one you speak of as God had the glory that he predestined to be Jesus' before the world began. Jesus was asking for it and so he did not yet have it. He also did not say he surrendered it.
No Kerwin.If someone says, “Give to me now this thing I HAD with you a long time ago” – then they are asking for something to be RETURNED to them.
It is a simple teaching, but your personal preferences insist that you add your own spin to it, and PRETEND Jesus was asking for something God had been HOLDING FOR HIM.
The words “I HAD” do NOT reflect your perversion of that verse.
Mike,Yes, Jesus' glory was with God before the world began.
Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
kwhy you do not tell us what you see in those scriptures ,instead of going in circles ,
and show us the scriptures of your view so we know it is the truth
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,11:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 15 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2013,12:09) To answer you question the glory God has reserved for Jesus was not a body of any type.
Which scripture tells us that God had glory “reserved for” Jesus?I know of John 17:5, which speaks of the glory Jesus himself HAD with God before the world began. I'm not familiar with the scripture that says God had “reserved” some glory for Jesus.
Mike,I was paraphrasing the one you speak of as God had the glory that he predestined to be Jesus' before the world began. Jesus was asking for it and so he did not yet have it. He also did not say he surrendered it.
No Kerwin.If someone says, “Give to me now this thing I HAD with you a long time ago” – then they are asking for something to be RETURNED to them.
It is a simple teaching, but your personal preferences insist that you add your own spin to it, and PRETEND Jesus was asking for something God had been HOLDING FOR HIM.
The words “I HAD” do NOT reflect your perversion of that verse.
Mike,Yes, Jesus' glory was with God before the world began.
Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
Kerwin.Take it slowly with Terra for he is still waiting for his first tooth to grow.
wakeup.
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gno gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real
T,There are no lesser gods mentioned in Scripture but there is those called gods mentioned.
Ksame thing ;there is no other God like Jehovah but there are many gods in heaven and on earth
T,To be called a god is not necessary being a god.
Kbeing a god mean being powerful ;and we know that no one is more powerful than Jehovah God the creator right
yes
T,Maybe in the Hebrew language but we speak English and people are used to a god being one that is worshiped. In the passage for us their is only one God Paul is using it to mean a being that is worshiped.
ki do not see any difference;either in Dutch or French,English ,
i still do not see where small gods are compere to God Jehovah
or mighty ones to almighty Jehovah
all looks the same to me,
there still is only one ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD,
but that does not make the other smaller gods in comparison to the almighty Jehovah to be fake or false ,history can tell you that
T,There are differences. Some are more perceived that real which is why I stated “people were used to …”. The Hebrew and Koine Greek use their equivalent to god in many ways. Context is extremely important as the words change meaning according to the context, perhaps even more than English. Offhand your definition may well fit the use of elohim as in the sentence that “humanity was created a little lower that the elohim”. The evidence is that the sentence is talking about authority.
KI do not see Humanity ,in the scriptures ,do you
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,07:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,06:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 15 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2013,12:09) To answer you question the glory God has reserved for Jesus was not a body of any type.
Which scripture tells us that God had glory “reserved for” Jesus?I know of John 17:5, which speaks of the glory Jesus himself HAD with God before the world began. I'm not familiar with the scripture that says God had “reserved” some glory for Jesus.
Mike,I was paraphrasing the one you speak of as God had the glory that he predestined to be Jesus' before the world began. Jesus was asking for it and so he did not yet have it. He also did not say he surrendered it.
No Kerwin.If someone says, “Give to me now this thing I HAD with you a long time ago” – then they are asking for something to be RETURNED to them.
It is a simple teaching, but your personal preferences insist that you add your own spin to it, and PRETEND Jesus was asking for something God had been HOLDING FOR HIM.
The words “I HAD” do NOT reflect your perversion of that verse.
Mike,Yes, Jesus' glory was with God before the world began.
Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
kwhy you do not tell us what you see in those scriptures ,instead of going in circles ,
and show us the scriptures of your view so we know it is the truth
T,I did point out that John 17:5 explicitly states it is Jesus' glory that is with God and not Jesus.
Please show me where the words ” I was with you before the world began” are in John 17:5 instead of trying to force the words “was with” and into the word “had”. What it means is just what it states and that is that God had Jesus' glory with him before the world began.
It is another case where you adding words that not there.
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gno gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real
T,There are no lesser gods mentioned in Scripture but there is those called gods mentioned.
Ksame thing ;there is no other God like Jehovah but there are many gods in heaven and on earth
T,To be called a god is not necessary being a god.
Kbeing a god mean being powerful ;and we know that no one is more powerful than Jehovah God the creator right
yes
T,Maybe in the Hebrew language but we speak English and people are used to a god being one that is worshiped. In the passage for us their is only one God Paul is using it to mean a being that is worshiped.
ki do not see any difference;either in Dutch or French,English ,
i still do not see where small gods are compere to God Jehovah
or mighty ones to almighty Jehovah
all looks the same to me,
there still is only one ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD,
but that does not make the other smaller gods in comparison to the almighty Jehovah to be fake or false ,history can tell you that
T,There are differences. Some are more perceived that real which is why I stated “people were used to …”. The Hebrew and Koine Greek use their equivalent to god in many ways. Context is extremely important as the words change meaning according to the context, perhaps even more than English. Offhand your definition may well fit the use of elohim as in the sentence that “humanity was created a little lower that the elohim”. The evidence is that the sentence is talking about authority.
KI do not see Humanity ,in the scriptures ,do you
T,Humans are called gods in English as well as in Koine Greek and Hebrew. You can discover that by reading the meanings for “god” in an English dictionary.
Terricca…………Humanity is another term for mankind, everyone should knows that. It means Man as a Group and is all inclusive of man Kind.
peace and love……………………………..gene
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gno gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real
T,There are no lesser gods mentioned in Scripture but there is those called gods mentioned.
Ksame thing ;there is no other God like Jehovah but there are many gods in heaven and on earth
T,To be called a god is not necessary being a god.
Kbeing a god mean being powerful ;and we know that no one is more powerful than Jehovah God the creator right
yes
T,Maybe in the Hebrew language but we speak English and people are used to a god being one that is worshiped. In the passage for us their is only one God Paul is using it to mean a being that is worshiped.
ki do not see any difference;either in Dutch or French,English ,
i still do not see where small gods are compere to God Jehovah
or mighty ones to almighty Jehovah
all looks the same to me,
there still is only one ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD,
but that does not make the other smaller gods in comparison to the almighty Jehovah to be fake or false ,history can tell you that
T,There are differences. Some are more perceived that real which is why I stated “people were used to …”. The Hebrew and Koine Greek use their equivalent to god in many ways. Context is extremely important as the words change meaning according to the context, perhaps even more than English. Offhand your definition may well fit the use of elohim as in the sentence that “humanity was created a little lower that the elohim”. The evidence is that the sentence is talking about authority.
KI do not see Humanity ,in the scriptures ,do you
T,Humans are called gods in English as well as in Koine Greek and Hebrew. You can discover that by reading the meanings for “god” in an English dictionary.
K“LIKE US ” DOES NOT MEAN”BE US” BEING DECLARED “LIKE US” IN GENESES MEANS MORE THAT MEN AD RECEIVED THE SAME POWERS TO GOVERN ON EARTH THAN ANGELS RECEIVED IN HEAVEN ,
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,20:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,07:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,06:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 15 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2013,12:09) To answer you question the glory God has reserved for Jesus was not a body of any type.
Which scripture tells us that God had glory “reserved for” Jesus?I know of John 17:5, which speaks of the glory Jesus himself HAD with God before the world began. I'm not familiar with the scripture that says God had “reserved” some glory for Jesus.
Mike,I was paraphrasing the one you speak of as God had the glory that he predestined to be Jesus' before the world began. Jesus was asking for it and so he did not yet have it. He also did not say he surrendered it.
No Kerwin.If someone says, “Give to me now this thing I HAD with you a long time ago” – then they are asking for something to be RETURNED to them.
It is a simple teaching, but your personal preferences insist that you add your own spin to it, and PRETEND Jesus was asking for something God had been HOLDING FOR HIM.
The words “I HAD” do NOT reflect your perversion of that verse.
Mike,Yes, Jesus' glory was with God before the world began.
Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
kwhy you do not tell us what you see in those scriptures ,instead of going in circles ,
and show us the scriptures of your view so we know it is the truth
T,I did point out that John 17:5 explicitly states it is Jesus' glory that is with God and not Jesus.
Please show me where the words ” I was with you before the world began” are in John 17:5 instead of trying to force the words “was with” and into the word “had”. What it means is just what it states and that is that God had Jesus' glory with him before the world began.
It is another case where you adding words that not there.
KWHAT IS THE GLORY OF CHRIST ”
T,
Quote K “LIKE US ” DOES NOT MEAN”BE US” BEING DECLARED “LIKE US” IN GENESES MEANS MORE THAT MEN AD RECEIVED THE SAME POWERS TO GOVERN ON EARTH THAN ANGELS RECEIVED IN HEAVEN ,
Mankind was given the powers to govern the earth in the beginning. We are made like angels in both having immortality and the knowledge of good and evil.
A human is called god when he in some way resembles Jehovah or in some cases just is claimed to do so.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,03:21) Jesus was telling the thief that both of them would be with the truly righteous in the Land of the Dead that day.
Kerwin……….Here is my take on what Jesus was telling the Thief on the Cross, I am telling you “THIS DAY” or “TODAY” , you “SHALL BE” with me, in Paradise. Jesus did not go to paradise that day, he went to “Hellios, of the Grave, and scripture also says the dead know “nothing”, for in the day they die their “THOUGHTS” parish.Jesus was simply telling the thief, that day, that a time would come when he would be in paradise with him (in the future) , he was not meaning that very day. Obviously it would have to be after the resurrection for anyone to be consciously aware of any kind of Paradise. IMO
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,21:10) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,20:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,07:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,06:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,05:32) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 15 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,01:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2013,12:09) To answer you question the glory God has reserved for Jesus was not a body of any type.
Which scripture tells us that God had glory “reserved for” Jesus?I know of John 17:5, which speaks of the glory Jesus himself HAD with God before the world began. I'm not familiar with the scripture that says God had “reserved” some glory for Jesus.
Mike,I was paraphrasing the one you speak of as God had the glory that he predestined to be Jesus' before the world began. Jesus was asking for it and so he did not yet have it. He also did not say he surrendered it.
No Kerwin.If someone says, “Give to me now this thing I HAD with you a long time ago” – then they are asking for something to be RETURNED to them.
It is a simple teaching, but your personal preferences insist that you add your own spin to it, and PRETEND Jesus was asking for something God had been HOLDING FOR HIM.
The words “I HAD” do NOT reflect your perversion of that verse.
Mike,Yes, Jesus' glory was with God before the world began.
Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
kwhy you do not tell us what you see in those scriptures ,instead of going in circles ,
and show us the scriptures of your view so we know it is the truth
T,I did point out that John 17:5 explicitly states it is Jesus' glory that is with God and not Jesus.
Please show me where the words ” I was with you before the world began” are in John 17:5 instead of trying to force the words “was with” and into the word “had”. What it means is just what it states and that is that God had Jesus' glory with him before the world began.
It is another case where you adding words that not there.
KWHAT IS THE GLORY OF CHRIST ”
T,Jesus is speaking of a glory that he will receive and which God had waiting for him. Giving the context of the situation he was speaking of his self sacrifice at the least. He is talking about giving eternal life to many and his self sacrifice accomplished that goal.
John 17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 17 2013,21:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,03:21) Jesus was telling the thief that both of them would be with the truly righteous in the Land of the Dead that day.
Kerwin……….Here is my take on what Jesus was telling the Thief on the Cross, I am telling you “THIS DAY” or “TODAY” , you “SHALL” be with me in Paradise. Jesus did not go to paradise that day, he went to “Hellios, of the Grave, and scripture also says the dead know nothing for in the day they die their “THOUGHTS” parish.Jesus was simply telling the thief that day, that a time would come when he would be in paradise with him (in the future) , he was not meaning that very day. IMO
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………….gene
Gene,I can see coming to that conclusion if you do not know the culture of the people of that time but I have read up on it and they believed that one part of the Land of the Dead was a Paradise. The, like Jesus, stated the souls of the righteous went to it on death and they said those souls were at Abraham's Bosom. I am not one to ignore such an obvious connection.
To all………And that glory that was sense the foundations of the earth, has been given the Lamb of God “now” Jesus now has all seven spirit of God, with the powers that go with them and will return and bring this whole earth into subjection to the kingdom of God. He will rule with theses spirits and Powers, of God, until he has put all rule and authority under his feet, and then he will after a thousand years, turn all authority back to God who gave it to him in the first place, and he himself will become subject to Gods Kingdom just as all will, that God may be all and in all. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,21:15) T, Quote K “LIKE US ” DOES NOT MEAN”BE US” BEING DECLARED “LIKE US” IN GENESES MEANS MORE THAT MEN AD RECEIVED THE SAME POWERS TO GOVERN ON EARTH THAN ANGELS RECEIVED IN HEAVEN ,
Mankind was given the powers to govern the earth in the beginning. We are made like angels in both having immortality and the knowledge of good and evil.
A human is called god when he in some way resembles Jehovah or in some cases just is claimed to do so.
KFIRST MEN WILL NEVER HAVE IMMORTALITY (EXCEPT THE 144K) EVERLASTING LIVE IS NOT IMMORTALITY RIGHT
I THINK SO,BEING A GOD MEANS BE POWERFUL ,BUT TO BE POWERFUL ON WHO AND WHAT
THIS GOD ALMIGHTY SAID TO MAN ;Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
SEE THE WORD “SUBDUE” AND “RULE OVER” THIS IS THE POWER WE AS HUMAN RECEIVED FROM GOD THE
CREATOR ,AND THAT MAKE US GODS ON EARTHK
Quote Jesus is speaking of a glory that he will receive and which God had waiting for him. Giving the context of the situation he was speaking of his self sacrifice at the least. He is talking about giving eternal life to many and his self sacrifice accomplished that goal. John 17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD with thee before the world was.(KJV)
It does not say that he will receive what did not ,was his before ;as you pretending it is ;
so let scriptures be true ;
in verse 1;
……glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
in those verses Christ makes make ONE REQUEST TO HIS FATHER ;glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee
BUT CHRIST MAKE MANY STATEMENTS ; 1)as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him(THE SON).
2)And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
3)I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. [/B]
THOSE STATEMENTS ARE ADDRESSED TO HIS FATHER FOR OTHERS THAN HIMSELF ; BUT THE REQUEST IS MADE FOR HIMSELF AND SO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STATEMENTS ,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,00:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,21:15) T, Quote K “LIKE US ” DOES NOT MEAN”BE US” BEING DECLARED “LIKE US” IN GENESES MEANS MORE THAT MEN AD RECEIVED THE SAME POWERS TO GOVERN ON EARTH THAN ANGELS RECEIVED IN HEAVEN ,
Mankind was given the powers to govern the earth in the beginning. We are made like angels in both having immortality and the knowledge of good and evil.
A human is called god when he in some way resembles Jehovah or in some cases just is claimed to do so.
KFIRST MEN WILL NEVER HAVE IMMORTALITY (EXCEPT THE 144K) EVERLASTING LIVE IS NOT IMMORTALITY RIGHT
I THINK SO,BEING A GOD MEANS BE POWERFUL ,BUT TO BE POWERFUL ON WHO AND WHAT
THIS GOD ALMIGHTY SAID TO MAN ;Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
SEE THE WORD “SUBDUE” AND “RULE OVER” THIS IS THE POWER WE AS HUMAN RECEIVED FROM GOD THE
CREATOR ,AND THAT MAKE US GODS ON EARTH
T,Immortality and everlasting life are two ways of saying the same time.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2013,18:52) Instead of what is written it does not say “give me the glory I had when I was with you before the world began” even though you seem to think it does.
“Instead of what is written it does not say……….” ?You write in a very cryptic way. And I say “cryptic” to be polite.
Buy anyway, it DOES SAY the……….. glory………. I………….. HAD………… before………. the………… world……….. began.
The words “I HAD” are the key, Kerwin. Jesus couldn't have said, “the glory I HAD” unless Jesus actually HAD that glory at a previous time.
Twist it all you like. The facts are still the facts – whether or not you choose to believe them.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,18:52) Mikeb. You dont seem to understand.
I understand it just fine, Wakeup.There are indeed MANY gods and MANY lords, both in heaven and on earth. But we personally have as our God ONLY the Father.
The fact that we personally only accept the Father as our personal God doesn't eliminate all those other gods. They still exist, and they're still gods. Not “false gods”, or “so-called gods”……… but gods.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,04:43) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,00:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,21:15) T, Quote K “LIKE US ” DOES NOT MEAN”BE US” BEING DECLARED “LIKE US” IN GENESES MEANS MORE THAT MEN AD RECEIVED THE SAME POWERS TO GOVERN ON EARTH THAN ANGELS RECEIVED IN HEAVEN ,
Mankind was given the powers to govern the earth in the beginning. We are made like angels in both having immortality and the knowledge of good and evil.
A human is called god when he in some way resembles Jehovah or in some cases just is claimed to do so.
KFIRST MEN WILL NEVER HAVE IMMORTALITY (EXCEPT THE 144K) EVERLASTING LIVE IS NOT IMMORTALITY RIGHT
I THINK SO,BEING A GOD MEANS BE POWERFUL ,BUT TO BE POWERFUL ON WHO AND WHAT
THIS GOD ALMIGHTY SAID TO MAN ;Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
SEE THE WORD “SUBDUE” AND “RULE OVER” THIS IS THE POWER WE AS HUMAN RECEIVED FROM GOD THE
CREATOR ,AND THAT MAKE US GODS ON EARTH
T,Immortality and everlasting life are two ways of saying the same time.
k1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.
Amen1Ti 6:15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.immortal means ;incorruptible
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:it appears that only the 144k are to be called to receive IMMORTALITY
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,08:33) I did point out that John 17:5 explicitly states it is Jesus' glory that is with God and not Jesus. It is another case where you adding words that not there.
I'm not sure which Bible you've been reading, but the words are, “the glory I WAS HAVING with you before the world was”.It is JESUS talking……. not THE GLORY talking. So it is JESUS who is saying HE HAD glory with God a long time ago.
Why is this so hard for you, Kerwin?
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