What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,03:50)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,13:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, Terricca………..Jesus seemed to think God's Kingdom would be in the earth, did he not say < thy KINGDOM “COME” they “WILL” be done “ON EARTH” as “IN HEAVEN”. As Kerwin said, there is no scripture that say flesh and blood are not going to be in the Kingdom of God. What Jesus said is the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” (physically seen or perceived) why, because the Kingdom of God is a “SPIRITUAL” condition, and it takes, a Spirit (INTELLECT) that is in a “flesh person” to Perceive it. peace and love……………gene gene it seems there are many things you do not understand in scriptures , this one is also not understood by you , and i still waiting for your answer on ;who are the gods over which GOD IS GOD OVER

Terricca………Do you see the words “TRUE” God's there, or just God of Gods, so those so-called Gods can just as easily be “FALSE” God , created by men like you and Mike.   if you would put all of the scriptures together you would know that, so it appears your the one who doesn't have the ability to put all scripture together to draw a proper conclusion.

Just as you can't produce one scripture that say a flesh and blood man can't enter into heaven tell us did Elijah go to heaven and was he not flesh and blood?  Scripture say he was taken up in a whirlwind into heaven, was Jesus taken up in a flesh and bone body, scripture say he was, you or Mike have produce not one scripture, that say Jesus or anyone else was changed or morphed into a Spirit “bodied” being, before they went into heaven. Nothing but speculations without proofs is all you have.

Just as you can't produce one scripture where Jesus himself ever said he was a GOD of any kind. Nor can you or your “Wolf” friend  answer this scripture, because it blows your dogmas apart.

No answers from the Wolf or the Fox it appears.  Pierre you and Mike are, a Joke at best, you both talk like you understand scripture and ignore all the scriptures that contradict you false teachings.

God is the God of all those man made “SO_CALLED” Gods, and the God of all the earth and everything in it, rather you or anyone else likes it or not, and he is the “ONLY” TRUE God, there is, that is to us who know the TRUTH,

1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there are no idols in the world and that there is “NO” God, but “ONE”.

The Fox has attached himself to the Wolf, and it appears they both have came into the hen house but have been thrown out and fallen into a ditch.  “O” well, such is what happens to blind guides, IMO

peace and love…………………….gene

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,05:40)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:15) T, You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet. When will YOU reveal the scripture that says flesh and bone, but NOT blood, CAN enter the kingdom of heaven? Kerwin, read John 3 again and again and again.  Perhaps, with a prayer for guidance, you will be able to understand that the REASON we must be born again to enter God's kingdom is because flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to spirit, and therefore we must be born again of something OTHER THAN flesh to enter. Doesn't that shoot down your whole “flesh and BONE is cool, but flesh and BLOOD is not” theory?  Because Jesus doesn't mention either BONE or BLOOD in that teaching to Nicodemus, does he?  He simply teaches that FLESH cannot enter. Now, this post isn't for discussion purposes, for I won't address any lame response from you.  This post was only for your own information.

Mike,

Jesus had a flesh and bone body when he was ascending to heaven and certain people claim it changed to spirit before arriving there.  Scripture does not say so, it is only their claim that justifies their belief that only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven, another thing Scripture does not say.  I am merely claim it did not change once his body was out of sight.

I also am convinced when Scripture speaks of flesh being saved then it means flesh will be saved.  You on the other  hand insist the only spirit will be saved even though Scripture states no such thing.

It is not written that only spirit will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is not written that Jesus body turned into spirit before he entered heaven.  It is not mentioned that only spirit will be saved on that day.

In other words, it is your response is lame.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,06:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,01:28) T, I already stated angels are created of heaven and Jehovah has his throne there.   Anyone can dwell in heaven except those those that fell from there and any like them.  Even those can visit it. K show me the scriptures of what you say here ,please

T,

Which parts or parts do you not believe?

There are only two general generations of creatures mentioned in Scripture and angels are not of the generation of earth.  That leaves the generations of heaven.  

The bible explicitly states God's throne is in heaven.

We already have discussed that Paul speaks of a human that enters the third heaven.

Satan is described as falling from heaven and his angels were also there when he is defeated.  He is also said to no linger have a place in heaven.  

Satan was present is God's throne room after falling from grace according to the book of Job.

I believe that covers all the claims I made.

[kerwin]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,01:30)

T, You still have not come up with a passage that proves only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

T,

I am still waiting.

Mike,

Feel free to quote a passage in Scripture that states only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

[GeneBalthrop]

Kerwin……..They have “NONE”, it is just their “assumption” they want us to believe is scriptural. They both talk like they know what they are saying, but produce nothing that proves it, and then they accuse others of not understanding scriptures as if they have some incite no one else has here but them. When we present them with true scriptures they just ignore them, as if they were not in their bibles, and when we give explanations to their question , they turn around and just say we did not answer their questions, so they can in this way ignore ours. Like i said they are the blind leading the blind, if you ask me. It's not a matter of seeking the truth for them they think they already have it, boy are they in for a surprise, when they realize they haven't even begun to understand the truth of scriptures . IMO

These Preexistence's are nothing more then mini Trinitarians and provocateurs of “MYSTERY RELIGIONS” a Religion that causes a “SEPARATION” of Jesus' human Identity with us all. That “Doctrine of Separation” will ultimately be their down fall, unless they repent. IMO

peace and love to you and your……………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 10 2013,20:57)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,03:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,13:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, Terricca………..Jesus seemed to think God's Kingdom would be in the earth, did he not say < thy KINGDOM “COME” they “WILL” be done “ON EARTH” as “IN HEAVEN”. As Kerwin said, there is no scripture that say flesh and blood are not going to be in the Kingdom of God. What Jesus said is the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” (physically seen or perceived) why, because the Kingdom of God is a “SPIRITUAL” condition, and it takes, a Spirit (INTELLECT) that is in a “flesh person” to Perceive it. peace and love……………gene gene it seems there are many things you do not understand in scriptures , this one is also not understood by you , and i still waiting for your answer on ;who are the gods over which GOD IS GOD OVER Terricca………Do you see the words “TRUE” God's there, or just God of Gods, so those so-called Gods can just as easily be “FALSE” God , created by men like you and Mike.   if you would put all of the scriptures together you would know that, so it appears your the one who doesn't have the ability to put all scripture together to draw a proper conclusion. Just as you can't produce one scripture that say a flesh and blood man can't enter into heaven tell us did Elijah go to heaven and was he not flesh and blood?  Scripture say he was taken up in a whirlwind into heaven, was Jesus taken up in a flesh and bone body, scripture say he was, you or Mike have produce not one scripture, that say Jesus or anyone else was changed or morphed into a Spirit “bodied” being, before they went into heaven. Nothing but speculations without proofs is all you have. Just as you can't produce one scripture where Jesus himself ever said he was a GOD of any kind. Nor can you or your “Wolf” friend  answer this scripture, because it blows your dogmas apart. No answers from the Wolf or the Fox it appears.  Pierre you and Mike are, a Joke at best, you both talk like you understand scripture and ignore all the scriptures that contradict you false teachings. God is the God of all those man made “SO_CALLED” Gods, and the God of all the earth and everything in it, rather you or anyone else likes it or not, and he is the “ONLY” TRUE God, there is, that is to us who know the TRUTH, 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there are no idols in the world and that there is “NO” God, but “ONE”. The Fox has attached himself to the Wolf, and it appears they both have came into the hen house but have been thrown out and fallen into a ditch.  “O” well, such is what happens to blind guides, IMO peace and love…………………….gene

g

no gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,22:34)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,01:30) T, You still have not come up with a passage that proves only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven. T, I am still waiting. Mike, Feel free to quote a passage in Scripture that states only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

k

MT 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
MT 13:41 “ The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
MT 13:49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
MT 16:27 “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

it does not say that men do go to heaven ,but it says that they stay on the earth and that the wicked will be destroyed or removed ,

MT 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

this scripture says how men condition will be after the resurrection ,

MT 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

this verse establish where the angels are and come from

LK 12:9 but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
LK 15:10 “In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

again we can see the interaction between angels and men ,from two distinct places

so I can not find a scripture that says of men enter the heaven can you

[GeneBalthrop]

Terrica…….So who is one of you “LITTLE” god's, that you know of please enlighten us, and if you “truly believe he or it is a “real “god or GOD to you , then you must serve it and trust in it's power, because that is only what a God or god can be to anyone who believe in them.  

I only know of “ONLY” ONE “TRUE” GOD, so to me all other are false GOD'S or god's. That is to say Me and Jesus my lord believe that way that is, but it seems you and the wolf don't believe what Jesus said, and what 1 Cor 8:4 says , we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” God, but “ONE”

I thing you heart does bother you Pierre about this, so repent and change and it will rebound for your good. Don't get caught up in Mike's carnal forcing of texts to say, what in fact what they do not say and the  God of our lord (adoni) Jesus will indeed bless you. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,23:42)

g no gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real

T,

There are no lesser gods mentioned in Scripture but there is those called gods mentioned.

[kerwin]

T,

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k MT 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. MT 13:41 “ The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, MT 13:49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, MT 16:27 “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. it does not say that men do go to heaven ,but it says that they stay on the earth and that the wicked will be destroyed or removed ,

Whether this passage supports your idea that humanity will dwell on the earth after the Judgement is an issue as I believe they will. The earth will at that time be part of the Kingdom of God of which Paul states the combination of flesh and blood will not inherit.

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MT 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. this scripture says how men condition will be after the resurrection ,

Humans will neither marry or be given in marriage just like angels currently do not.

Nothing you wrote actually makes the case that only spirits can enter the kingdom of heaven.

I know of only Jesus and man Paul spoke of entering heaven.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16)

It is not written that only spirit will inherit the kingdom of God

Like I said Kerwin, read John 3 over and over again.

Why, according to Jesus' words in that passage, must we be born again? If you can answer that, you'll be well on your way to understanding the teaching.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,10:34)

Mike, Feel free to quote a passage in Scripture that states only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

One of the passages that teach this was already given to you yesterday. If you can successfully answer the question I asked about that passage in my post today, I will deem you worthy of my time to help you investigate further into the matter.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,12:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,01:30) T, You still have not come up with a passage that proves only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven. k MT 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Add the following to the scripture Pierre posted:

John 3:8
“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

In the above, Jesus is describing the spirit beings who dwell in the kingdom of God.  And it is clear that he is NOT describing any FLESH being that I'm aware of.

Perhaps Kerwin knows of such a flesh being?

At any rate, Jesus compares angels with wind, and tell us that we will be like the angels in the resurrection.

I assume Jesus was speaking of only the elect who are chosen to dwell in heaven, because I too believe there will exist human beings on the new earth, who will marry and reproduce.  In other words, Jesus is speaking about those who end up being born again – of spirit this time instead of flesh.

And why must we be born of something other than flesh to enter the kingdom of God? Because flesh cannot enter, nor inherit the kingdom of heaven.

It's really not rocket science, Kerwin.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2013,11:08)

Terrica…….So who is one of you “LITTLE” god's, that you know of please enlighten us, and if you “truly believe he or it is a “real “god or GOD to you , then you must serve it and trust in it's power, because that is only what a God or god can be to anyone who believe in them.

Well, in the case of Hebrews 1:8, Jesus is the “little god”, Gene.

Do you serve your Lord Jesus? Yes.

Do you trust in his power to save? Yes.

Do you believe in your Lord Jesus? Yes.

So it seems Jesus fits all the criteria required to be a “real god” that you listed in your post, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2013,12:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,23:42) g no gene ,just only one almighty true God and all the other gods are lesser gods but are very real T, There are no lesser gods mentioned in Scripture but there is those called gods mentioned.

There are also those “called” kings and lords in scripture, Kerwin.

Will you tell us that there aren't really any kings and lords in scripture, but only those who are “called” that?  

Come on man!  If it is “called” an elephant, chances are that it IS an elephant.

Btw, when exactly did you fall off the sanity wagon?  You used to post right along with me about how there are many gods in scripture.  What happened?  Did the belief in what the scriptures actually and clearly teach fall out of alignment with one of your man-made doctrines?  Must you now disallow the scriptural truth in favor of your man-made doctrine?

I don't get it.  Why the sudden change, Kerwin?

[Wakeup]

The kingdom of God on earth needs explaining.
1.For the resurrected saints the kingdom will be
of heaven;for they have inherited all things.
The LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and his saints will rule
on earth over the jews inside,
and the gentiles outside, the kingdom.

2.The kingdom on earth is for the jews brought back *in the
flesh* to be taught. This is paradise to them.THEY STILL
DIE,BUT NO PAIN AND SORROWS.
Isaiah11. 65.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup,

Isaiah 25
7 On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations;

8 he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The LORD has spoken.

Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

1 Corinthians 15
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 12 2013,05:37)

T, Quote k MT 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. MT 13:41 “ The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, MT 13:49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, MT 16:27 “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. it does not say that men do go to heaven ,but it says that they stay on the earth and that the wicked will be destroyed or removed , Whether this passage supports your idea that humanity will dwell on the earth after the Judgement is an issue as I believe they will.  The earth will at that time be part of the Kingdom of God of which Paul states the combination of flesh and blood will not inherit. Quote MT 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. this scripture says how men condition will be after the resurrection , Humans will neither marry or be given in marriage just like angels currently do not. Nothing you wrote actually makes the case that only spirits can enter the kingdom of heaven. I know of only Jesus and man Paul spoke of entering heaven.

Kerwin.

At the coming,there will be two things happening.
1.The saints will be resurrected in a spirit body.
2.The chosen jews of all generations will be brought back
in the flesh to be taught by the saints.
3.The saints will have inherited all things.
4. Not yet for the jews;they need to go through Christ first.
5. The 1000yrs will be paradise for the jews.
6. No wars,no pain,no sorrows;the lion will eat straw.
Isaiah 11. 65.
7.The gentiles outside will be taught by the jews.
8.Jews and gentiles will multiply.
9. The gentiles will be sifted: believers from non believers.
10. Second judgement.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:05)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16) It is not written that only spirit will inherit the kingdom of God Like I said Kerwin, read John 3 over and over again. Why, according to Jesus' words in that passage, must we be born again?  If you can answer that, you'll be well on your way to understanding the teaching.

Mike,

I have read it and anyone that hungers and thirst for righteousness can see it is speaking of the getting a new spirit.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 12 2013,05:10)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 12 2013,05:37) T, Quote k MT 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. MT 13:41 “ The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, MT 13:49 “So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, MT 16:27 “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. it does not say that men do go to heaven ,but it says that they stay on the earth and that the wicked will be destroyed or removed , Whether this passage supports your idea that humanity will dwell on the earth after the Judgement is an issue as I believe they will.  The earth will at that time be part of the Kingdom of God of which Paul states the combination of flesh and blood will not inherit. Quote MT 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. this scripture says how men condition will be after the resurrection , Humans will neither marry or be given in marriage just like angels currently do not. Nothing you wrote actually makes the case that only spirits can enter the kingdom of heaven. I know of only Jesus and man Paul spoke of entering heaven. Kerwin. At the coming,there will be two things happening. 1.The saints will be resurrected in a spirit body. 2.The chosen jews of all generations will be brought back   in the flesh to be taught by the saints. 3.The saints will have inherited all things. 4. Not yet for the jews;they need to go through Christ first. 5. The 1000yrs will be paradise for the jews. 6. No wars,no pain,no sorrows;the lion will eat straw.    Isaiah 11.  65. 7.The gentiles outside will be taught by the jews. 8.Jews and gentiles will multiply. 9. The gentiles will be sifted: believers from non believers. 10. Second judgement. wakeup.

Wakeup,

Flesh will be saved when Jesus comes as the Son of man.

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