What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,06:33)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,08:23) Kerwin's conclusion: ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN IS FLESH AND BONE. wakeup. Wakeup, At this point I am not speaking of the hosts of heaven.  I am speaking of the resurrected body and the fact that nowhere in Scripture does is it actually written than only the spirit may enter the kingdom of heaven.  That teaching the tradition of mere men. What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   If you believe what is written by God then you believe that flesh and blood together cannot enter the reign of God according to the literal writing.  There is nothing that state that either one without the other can enter the kingdom of heaven.   I tried to go further with Mike and it seems it was too much for him to handle.  For that reason I will handle this lesser number of points. Kerwin. In that case; you judge which scripture is written by man and which is actually is the Word of God. Take what suits you best. wakeup.

Wakeup,

My point is that your claim that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven is not written in Scripture. Since it is not actually written in Scripture it follows it was is the teaching of men and not of God. That is what you have previously chosen to follow.

Show me where you find it written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47)

k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears

T,

Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven?

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven?

k

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Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven?

you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM,

WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,???

THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST,

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,11:46)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,06:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,08:23) Kerwin's conclusion: ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN IS FLESH AND BONE. wakeup. Wakeup, At this point I am not speaking of the hosts of heaven.  I am speaking of the resurrected body and the fact that nowhere in Scripture does is it actually written than only the spirit may enter the kingdom of heaven.  That teaching the tradition of mere men. What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   If you believe what is written by God then you believe that flesh and blood together cannot enter the reign of God according to the literal writing.  There is nothing that state that either one without the other can enter the kingdom of heaven.   I tried to go further with Mike and it seems it was too much for him to handle.  For that reason I will handle this lesser number of points. Kerwin. In that case; you judge which scripture is written by man and which is actually is the Word of God. Take what suits you best. wakeup. Wakeup, My point is that your claim that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven is not written in Scripture.  Since it is not actually written in Scripture it follows it was is the teaching of men and not of God.  That is what you have previously chosen to follow.   Show me where you find it written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

Kerwin.

The scripture says: FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.(these words can not be broken).

1.Heaven is where God and his angels are.
2.If flesh and blood can not enter;
commonsense will tell you that only spirit can enter.
3.There is no third existence,for it is man's invention.
Glorified flesh is not mentioned in scripture.
No one can proof this error with scripture to justify it.
4.Jesus said: look a spirit have no flesh and bone as I have.
That is the truth;for he appeared to them in the flesh,
so they can SEE,TOUCH, and FEEL his wound.
For that is PROOF that He is HIM crucified. This is not
just a vision or a dream,or some spirit imposter.
5.Jesus also said: He who is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.
HE was born of the Spirit. *BORN AGAIN*.
HE will come back again in spirit form,and yet seen by
men. This is how great the power of God is,for nothing is
impossible with God.
Stop labouring hard to proof scripture wrong;whose side are you on?

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,13:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST,

Terricca………..Jesus seemed to think God's Kingdom would be in the earth, did he not say < thy KINGDOM “COME” they “WILL” be done “ON EARTH” as “IN HEAVEN”.

As Kerwin said, there is no scripture that say flesh and blood are not going to be in the Kingdom of God. What Jesus said is the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” (physically seen or perceived) why, because the Kingdom of God is a “SPIRITUAL” condition, and it takes, a Spirit (INTELLECT) that is in a “flesh person” to Perceive it.

peace and love……………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,02:34)

Let me know when you're ready to answer my question DIRECTLY, Gene.  Until then, goodbye.

To All……….I hope you all can see how Mike again avoids this scripture…….we know that there is no idol in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. and how he uses the excuse i have not answered his question , which i have over and over, but he refuses to accept it, so he uses it as a excuse to not answer the simple and direct scripture i quoted him.

That is because it brings down his whole house of card and shows he is preaching contrary to scripture, about there being more then one “TRUE” God. It also destroy his false assumptions of Jesus Being the God referenced in John 1:1.  It exposes him and all who teach more then one “TRUE” God for what they are, false teachers who forces text to meet his dogmas.

peace and love to you all……………………….gene

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,08:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST,

T,

You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,15:38)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,11:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,06:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,08:23) Kerwin's conclusion: ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN IS FLESH AND BONE. wakeup. Wakeup, At this point I am not speaking of the hosts of heaven.  I am speaking of the resurrected body and the fact that nowhere in Scripture does is it actually written than only the spirit may enter the kingdom of heaven.  That teaching the tradition of mere men. What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   If you believe what is written by God then you believe that flesh and blood together cannot enter the reign of God according to the literal writing.  There is nothing that state that either one without the other can enter the kingdom of heaven.   I tried to go further with Mike and it seems it was too much for him to handle.  For that reason I will handle this lesser number of points. Kerwin. In that case; you judge which scripture is written by man and which is actually is the Word of God. Take what suits you best. wakeup. Wakeup, My point is that your claim that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven is not written in Scripture.  Since it is not actually written in Scripture it follows it was is the teaching of men and not of God.  That is what you have previously chosen to follow.   Show me where you find it written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven. Kerwin. The scripture says: FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.(these words can not be broken). 1.Heaven is where God and his angels are. 2.If flesh and blood can not enter;   commonsense will tell you that only spirit can enter. 3.There is no third existence,for it is man's invention.    Glorified flesh is not mentioned in scripture.   No one can proof this error with scripture to justify it. 4.Jesus said: look a spirit have no flesh and bone as I have.   That is the truth;for he appeared to them in the flesh,   so they can SEE,TOUCH, and FEEL his wound.   For that is PROOF that He is HIM crucified. This is not    just  a vision or a dream,or some spirit imposter. 5.Jesus also said: He who is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.    HE was born of the Spirit. *BORN AGAIN*.    HE will come back again in spirit form,and yet seen by    men. This is how great the power of God is,for nothing is    impossible with God. Stop labouring hard to proof scripture wrong;whose side are you on? wakeup.

Wakeup,

a) You have not shown be where it is written in Scripture that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

b) It is not written that “FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN”, instead it is written that “flesh and blood” cannot inherit the kingdom of God and even then I am omitting a few words from the passage.

1) God has his throne in heaven and angels were created of heaven.

2) Reason will tell you that a litter interpretation of flesh and blood means the combination and not either one separate. To mean either one separate it would say “flesh or blood”. So are you now choosing not to take it literal?

3) There is flesh that will be saved in the last days.

4) Jesus was giving proof he was not a spirit.

5) No, He stated:

John 3:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice that the translators capitalized the word “spirit”, which means they see it as meaning the Holy Spirit. I agree with their conclusion, do you?

My flesh is conceived of mother and father and it is my hope that on that day my spirit will be found to be conceived of the Holy Spirit.

I am not pointing out that Scripture is wrong but only that your beliefs do not come from Scripture. You can choose to repent and listen to the guidance of the Spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,22:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, T, You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet.

k

can you refute what i said

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2013,20:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,13:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, Terricca………..Jesus seemed to think God's Kingdom would be in the earth, did he not say < thy KINGDOM “COME” they “WILL” be done “ON EARTH” as “IN HEAVEN”. As Kerwin said, there is no scripture that say flesh and blood are not going to be in the Kingdom of God. What Jesus said is the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” (physically seen or perceived) why, because the Kingdom of God is a “SPIRITUAL” condition, and it takes, a Spirit (INTELLECT) that is in a “flesh person” to Perceive it. peace and love……………gene

gene

it seems there are many things you do not understand in scriptures ,

this one is also not understood by you ,

and i still waiting for your answer on ;who are the gods over which GOD IS GOD OVER

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,22:48)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,22:15) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, T, You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet. k can you refute what i said

T,

Paul, in letter written after 1 Corinthians, states a man did indeed enter heaven and he did not know whether that man entered heaven in his body or out of his body.

From this we know Paul either knew a body the man's body could enter heaven or he did not know whether or not a body could enter heaven. That is your proof.

On the other hand you have shown no evidence for your claims and yet you still hold to them.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,23:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,22:48) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,22:15) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,08:41) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,05:47) k Quote What is written that flesh and blood may not enter the kingdom of God.  Do you believe what is written by God or instead what men say God's word mean?   let hear it ,i am all ears T, Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? k Quote Do you know anywhere in Scripture where it is written that only a spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven? you mean enter heaven ,WE ALL KNOW THAT THE HEAVEN BELONGS TO GOD AND THAT THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MEN,;IF THIS IS TRUE THEN THE LOWER CREATION CAN NOT GO WHERE THE HIGHEST IS LIVING,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE IS NOT MADE TO DO SO,UNLESS CHANGES ARE MADE TO HIM, WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGES THAT SOME MEN CAN ACQUIRE TO GO INTO HEAVEN,WHAT WE ALL KNOW TO BE THE KINGDOM OF GOD,OR THE PLACE WHERE GOD DWELLS ,??? THOSE CHANGES NEEDED ARE GIVEN OUT TO THEM BY CHRIST, T, You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet. k can you refute what i said T, Paul, in letter written after 1 Corinthians, states a man did indeed enter heaven and he did not know whether that man entered heaven in his body or out of his body.   From this we know Paul either knew a body the man's body could enter heaven or he did not know whether or not a body could enter heaven.   That is your proof. On the other hand  you have shown no evidence for your claims and yet you still hold to them.

K

Paul does not support that the man went with his body or not ;

but answer me this ;IS THE HEAVEN THE DWELLINGS OF GOD AND THE ANGELS (SPIRIT BEINGS)???

AND IS THE EARTH THE DWELLING OF MEN (FLESH)???

[kerwin]

T,

2 Corinthians 12:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Paul states:

1) He cannot tell if the man went to the third heaven in his body.
2) He cannot tell if the man went to the third heaven without his body.

If the man's body cannot enter as you claim; even though you do not have supporting evidence, then Paul whom according to you previously stated just that in his first letter would be able to tell that the man did not go in his body.

The best you can say is that Paul did not know in which case he did not know when he wrote his earlier letter upon which you form you doctrine that a man's body cannot enter heaven.

[kerwin]

T,

I already stated angels are created of heaven and Jehovah has his throne there. Anyone can dwell in heaven except those those that fell from there and any like them. Even those can visit it.

[kerwin]

T,

You still have not come up with a passage that proves only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,06:30)

T, You still have not come up with a passage that proves only spirit can enter the kingdom of heaven.

Kerwin.

He can not answer any question.
He never does. Just copy and paste without any understanding what he is pasting.

And if he is found to be wrong,he always says;
but you dont understand the scriptures.

You show him scriptures;he will say;
you are making it up.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,17:29)

I tried to go further with Mike and it seems it was too much for him to handle.

Not too much to “handle”, Kerwin. Just too much nonsense for me to want to spend anymore time on it.

We've been all through this many times before, remember?

I just don't have the patience to wade through your twisting and willful ignorance yet another time.

No hard feelings. It's just that I've better things to do.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2013,09:08)

I hope you all can see how Mike again avoids this scripture

I hope you've all already seen that I honestly told Gene I would address the scripture he keeps harping about IF and WHEN I get and HONEST answer from him about Hebrews 1:8.

About the SON, He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever…………..”

Who is the “SON” that is called “O God” in that scripture Gene?

“The God who was inside Jesus doing the works” was NOT the “SON” who was called “O God”.  God did NOT call the part of HIMSELF that was inside Jesus “SON”, or tell that part of HIMSELF that he had placed Him higher than His companions.  (As if one part of God can talk to the other part of God, and one part of God can set the other part of God above his companions.   )

So IF and WHEN you give me a direct and HONEST answer to my question, I'll be happy to address yours.  In fact, your HONEST answer to MY question WILL address yours.  

But until you're ready to give an HONEST answer to my question, shhhhhhh…………

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:15)

T, You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet.

When will YOU reveal the scripture that says flesh and bone, but NOT blood, CAN enter the kingdom of heaven?

Kerwin, read John 3 again and again and again. Perhaps, with a prayer for guidance, you will be able to understand that the REASON we must be born again to enter God's kingdom is because flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to spirit, and therefore we must be born again of something OTHER THAN flesh to enter.

Doesn't that shoot down your whole “flesh and BONE is cool, but flesh and BLOOD is not” theory? Because Jesus doesn't mention either BONE or BLOOD in that teaching to Nicodemus, does he? He simply teaches that FLESH cannot enter.

Now, this post isn't for discussion purposes, for I won't address any lame response from you. This post was only for your own information.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,01:28)

T, I already stated angels are created of heaven and Jehovah has his throne there.   Anyone can dwell in heaven except those those that fell from there and any like them.  Even those can visit it.

K

show me the scriptures of what you say here ,please

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