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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Kerwin.Go back to reading the english bible, instead of the hebrew,latin and greek.
There you will find the truth.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 29 2013,20:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
1Corinthians 15
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.That would be enough to tell you, Kerwin, if you didn't have some nonsensical notion that angels are flesh beings.
And this……….
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Can you see the CONTRAST being made between our current “natural” bodies, and our future “spiritual bodies”? Of course not.
And this………..
Philippians 3
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.Can you see the CONTRAST between the lowly flesh body Paul now has, and the glorious new body Christ now has in heaven? Of course not.
You can't see these things because you don't WANT to see them. You pretend that flesh beings dwell in the spirit realm of heaven – just so you can continue believing that Jesus is, was, and always will be a regular old flesh human being like the rest of us.
How about this one………..
1 Corinthians 15
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—Can you understand this clear and direct teaching? Of course not. Because, in your quest to have Jesus be just like you, you have invented a doctrine where flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God, but flesh and BONE can.
You have invented a doctrine where the “change” Paul mentions in verse 51 refers to the change from flesh and blood to flesh and bone.Yikes, Kerwin. It's sad to see a relatively intelligent person talk himself right out of common sense in an effort to keep his personal wishes of what the Bible should teach in tact.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Wakeup………Kerwin is right in this, Spirits are not bodies, they are what is “IN” Bodies. They can “INDWELL” BODIES, even GOD the FATHER who is Spirit can be in our bodies, remember where Paul's said your bodies are the “temples of the Living God”Some here do not believe God who is Spirit, can be in a person and deny Jesus' own words , when he said the Father was “IN” Him. It was not Jesus who said destroy body and in three day I shall raise it up. That was GOD speaking first person through Jesus' mouth.
It was not Jesus who said Jerusalem O Jerusalem ,you that kill the prophets and stone them that are sent unto, how often would I (GOD) have gathered you, as a Hen gathers her chicks, but you would not, therefore you are left desolate and you will not see me again until you say blessed is he that comes in the name of the LORD>
Wakeup, that was GOD speaking through Jesus' mouth 'FIRST PERSON”. Spirits do not have Bodies they exist “IN” BODIES, we will be just like Jesus had after his resurrection, bodies exactly like the ones described in valley of dried bones in Ezekiel.
A spirit without a body goes about in “ARID” places looking for “REST”. All spirits seek bodies to live in, even our God want to live in us and through us. for the Spirit “earnestly desires us”, and again, that God may be in you all and through you all.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2013,11:01) A spirit without a body goes about in “ARID” places looking for “REST”.
But you say spirits aren't cognizant beings, right?So why would these non-cognizant, non-being “thoughts that are in beings” go about SEEKING arid places and LOOKING FOR rest?
Non-cognizant THINGS wouldn't have the awareness to SEEK anything out, Gene.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2013,04:01) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Wakeup………Kerwin is right in this, Spirits are not bodies, they are what is “IN” Bodies. They can “INDWELL” BODIES, even GOD the FATHER who is Spirit can be in our bodies, remember where Paul's said your bodies are the “temples of the Living God”Some here do not believe God who is Spirit, can be in a person and deny Jesus' own words , when he said the Father was “IN” Him. It was not Jesus who said destroy body and in three day I shall raise it up. That was GOD speaking first person through Jesus' mouth.
It was not Jesus who said Jerusalem O Jerusalem ,you that kill the prophets and stone them that are sent unto, how often would I (GOD) have gathered you, as a Hen gathers her chicks, but you would not, therefore you are left desolate and you will not see me again until you say blessed is he that comes in the name of the LORD>
Wakeup, that was GOD speaking through Jesus' mouth 'FIRST PERSON”. Spirits do not have Bodies they exist “IN” BODIES, we will be just like Jesus had after his resurrection, bodies exactly like the ones described in valley of dried bones in Ezekiel.
A spirit without a body goes about in “ARID” places looking for “REST”. All spirits seek bodies to live in, even our God want to live in us and through us. for the Spirit “earnestly desires us”, and again, that God may be in you all and through you all.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
GeneB.1. *All* man is flesh but have the spirit of life from God
(breath).
Man in christ has the spirit of christ in him.
his own spirit is deadened.He lives for Christ.
2. Atheists have the spirit of man in them,living by the lust of
the flesh,which is the spirit of the world.
3.The spirit is the force inside the body,and man lives by
that spirit in him.
4.Angels are made of spirit bodies;they are quickened
bodies.No flesh can live in heaven,No man has been to
heaven.Not even *glorified flesh*.(This is mans invention).
5.Jesus in the flesh lived for God;his own spirit is deadened.
He has no lust of the flesh,all for God.
6. The Word of God is spirit made flesh,and went back to
spirit.Back to the Word of God.(rev19:13).
7. So will we be when resurrected,just as our brother Jesus.
We will be like him.
8.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and ***it doth not yet appear*** what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him **as he is**.The apostles has seen Him appear in the flesh after His resurrection,but it says that they dont know what He shall be;but we shall see him as He is.
It is clear that; that His appearing after the resurrection was not *as He is*.Rev.19:13 shows Him appear as he is.(read).
Remember: The Word of God is spirit;not flesh; and we will be like Him.
The Word was made flesh. From spirit to flesh;then back to spirit.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:32) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Kerwin.Go back to reading the english bible, instead of the hebrew,latin and greek.
There you will find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,You did not answer my question because as far as I can tell the idea that flesh will transform into spirit is a complete figment of your imagination. So please, if you can, reveal to me where you learned this information.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:32) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Kerwin.Go back to reading the english bible, instead of the hebrew,latin and greek.
There you will find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,You did not answer my question because as far as I can tell the idea that flesh will transform into spirit is a complete figment of your imagination. So please, if you can, reveal to me where you learned this information.
Kerwin.Do you believe that the Word of God is spirit?
wakeup.
Mike,
I actually asked wakeup and want him to answer for himself though I will address at least some of your answer.
Quote 1Corinthians 15
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.That would be enough to tell you, Kerwin, if you didn't have some nonsensical notion that angels are flesh beings.
It is certainly not explicitly written here so you must be deriving it in some manner. Looking at your words it seems you assume that angels are the heavenly human. The actually Koine Greek does not use man or anything else for that matter. It is a word inserted by the translators. Bible Hub does not have those comments in the Interlinear. Looking at it is simply states “As we have worn the heavenly so shall we wear the heavenly. I see no support for flesh being turned to spirit in that passage unless you add to it things that are not there.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,01:22) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:32) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Kerwin.Go back to reading the english bible, instead of the hebrew,latin and greek.
There you will find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,You did not answer my question because as far as I can tell the idea that flesh will transform into spirit is a complete figment of your imagination. So please, if you can, reveal to me where you learned this information.
Kerwin.Do you believe that the Word of God is spirit?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, the words of God are Spirit as they are Spiritually discerned.
Mike,
Quote 1Corinthians 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Can you see the CONTRAST being made between our current “natural” bodies, and our future “spiritual bodies”? Of course not.
First I will check bible hub though I do not think that will reveal your misunderstanding. At first sight it seems an equivalent translation. The impression it seems to give you is not equivalent so perhaps the word “animal” or “sensuous” is better than “natural”. The rest appear to be OK.
There is a animal body and there is a Spiritual body or there is a sensuous body and there is a Spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
uses the same words.
1) But the sensuous man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2) But the animal man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
In short flesh is not even mentioned and the Spirit that is mentioned is God's Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,01:22) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,12:32) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:44) Wakeup, Where is it written that the flesh will turn into spirit?
Kerwin.Go back to reading the english bible, instead of the hebrew,latin and greek.
There you will find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,You did not answer my question because as far as I can tell the idea that flesh will transform into spirit is a complete figment of your imagination. So please, if you can, reveal to me where you learned this information.
Kerwin.Do you believe that the Word of God is spirit?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, the words of God are Spirit as they are Spiritually discerned.
Kerwin.So you agree that the Word of God is spirit,not flesh.
Jesus was the Word of God made flesh.
He is back next to God as the Word(rev 19:13).
The Word is spirit,not flesh.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:33) Mike, I actually asked wakeup and want him to answer for himself though I will address at least some of your answer.
Quote 1Corinthians 15
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.That would be enough to tell you, Kerwin, if you didn't have some nonsensical notion that angels are flesh beings.
It is certainly not explicitly written here so you must be deriving it in some manner. Looking at your words it seems you assume that angels are the heavenly human. The actually Koine Greek does not use man or anything else for that matter. It is a word inserted by the translators. Bible Hub does not have those comments in the Interlinear. Looking at it is simply states “As we have worn the heavenly so shall we wear the heavenly. I see no support for flesh being turned to spirit in that passage unless you add to it things that are not there.
First of all, “man” doesn't always mean “human being”. Secondly, you are correct that the word “man” isn't in the Greek text.It says, “As are the heavenly, so shall we be”.
And that would be enough for anyone who hasn't developed his own doctrine that calls for angels being FLESH beings.
Mike,
Quote 1 Corinthians 15
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—This one is your your essential argument and it is one of Paul's teachings that is hard to understand by those who lack knowledge of what Jews believed at that time, and some even believe now.
If you want knowledge then look at the Koine Greek word behind the word “natural” that seems to give you the wrong impression. It does seem curious that the AKJV would choose that word at the translation when in 1 Corinthians 2 better ones fit the clear context. Still they also chose it in 1 Corinthians 15 and the earlier choice can help us to understand. The word is “psuchikos” and means “of or belonging to the breath” according to BibleStudyTools.com. It is derive from the word “Psuche”, which is often translated soul. The word “Psuche” is itself derived from Psucho, which means to breath and is translated to grow gold in the one instance it is used in the NAS. The OT tells us the animal soul(Psuche) is in the blood.
It states the flesh and blood which contains the animal soul cannot inherit the reign of God. It does not say flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It is instead that flesh body that belongs to that animal soul that cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It is the natural body of this world of sin that belongs to the animal soul. Flesh that is not of this world of sin does not belong to the animal soul and so is not a sensuous body.
In short it does not say flesh will not inherit the kingdom of heaven nor does it state that flesh will be changed into spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:58) Mike, Quote 1Corinthians 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Can you see the CONTRAST being made between our current “natural” bodies, and our future “spiritual bodies”? Of course not.
First I will check bible hub though I do not think that will reveal your misunderstanding. At first sight it seems an equivalent translation. The impression it seems to give you is not equivalent so perhaps the word “animal” or “sensuous” is better than “natural”. The rest appear to be OK.
There is a animal body and there is a Spiritual body or there is a sensuous body and there is a Spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
uses the same words.
1) But the sensuous man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2) But the animal man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
In short flesh is not even mentioned and the Spirit that is mentioned is God's Spirit.
Kerwin.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, **we shall be like him**;
***for we shall see him as he is**.
WHAT?
I THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN CHRIST APPEAR
WITH HIS WOUNDS AND ALL.THAT WAS NOT WHAT HE REALLY IS.
HE SHOWED HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO PROOF TO HIS BRETHREN THAT IT IS HE WHOM WAS DEAD, AND IS ALIVE.
YOU WANT TO SEE HOW HE REALLY IS, GO AND READ REV.19:13.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2013,02:08) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2013,13:33) Mike, I actually asked wakeup and want him to answer for himself though I will address at least some of your answer.
Quote 1Corinthians 15
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.That would be enough to tell you, Kerwin, if you didn't have some nonsensical notion that angels are flesh beings.
It is certainly not explicitly written here so you must be deriving it in some manner. Looking at your words it seems you assume that angels are the heavenly human. The actually Koine Greek does not use man or anything else for that matter. It is a word inserted by the translators. Bible Hub does not have those comments in the Interlinear. Looking at it is simply states “As we have worn the heavenly so shall we wear the heavenly. I see no support for flesh being turned to spirit in that passage unless you add to it things that are not there.
First of all, “man” doesn't always mean “human being”. Secondly, you are correct that the word “man” isn't in the Greek text.It says, “As are the heavenly, so shall we be”.
And that would be enough for anyone who hasn't developed his own doctrine that calls for angels being FLESH beings.
Mike,It is hardly my own doctrine as it is commonly known that spirits neither can be touched or eat as they have no body even when they have a form.
As far as I can tell your teaching is the newest on this subject as the debate for centuries has been whether angels have bodies naturally united with them, assume a body when needed, or have no body at all. The Roman Catholics follow the assumed body theory and it seems many of their offshoots or those influenced by there doctrines also hold to it.
Nevertheless, there is nothing about angels in 1 Corinthians 15:48-49 so it really is not an issue. It is instead speaking of the divine body and the body that falls short of God's glory.
Note:
Angel bodies controversy.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:58) Mike, Quote 1Corinthians 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Can you see the CONTRAST being made between our current “natural” bodies, and our future “spiritual bodies”? Of course not.
First I will check bible hub though I do not think that will reveal your misunderstanding. At first sight it seems an equivalent translation. The impression it seems to give you is not equivalent so perhaps the word “animal” or “sensuous” is better than “natural”. The rest appear to be OK.
There is a animal body and there is a Spiritual body or there is a sensuous body and there is a Spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
uses the same words.
1) But the sensuous man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2) But the animal man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
In short flesh is not even mentioned and the Spirit that is mentioned is God's Spirit.
Kerwin.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, **we shall be like him**;
***for we shall see him as he is**.
WHAT?
I THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN CHRIST APPEAR
WITH HIS WOUNDS AND ALL.THAT WAS NOT WHAT HE REALLY IS.
HE SHOWED HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO PROOF TO HIS BRETHREN THAT IT IS HE WHOM WAS DEAD, AND IS ALIVE.
YOU WANT TO SEE HOW HE REALLY IS, GO AND READ REV.19:13.wakeup.
Wakeup,That is not what Scripture states about the matter but you keep repeating it anyways.
What Scripture states and you do not is:
Acts 1:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 to whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Jesus proved he was a living human being by giving his students infallible proofs he was alive after his resurrection.
Touch me and see I have flesh and bone and therefore I am not a ghost and am instead alive.
Feed me and see that I consume it and therefore am alive.Get rid of your Roman Catholic teaching of an assumed body.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,03:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2013,02:37) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:58) Mike, Quote 1Corinthians 15 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Can you see the CONTRAST being made between our current “natural” bodies, and our future “spiritual bodies”? Of course not.
First I will check bible hub though I do not think that will reveal your misunderstanding. At first sight it seems an equivalent translation. The impression it seems to give you is not equivalent so perhaps the word “animal” or “sensuous” is better than “natural”. The rest appear to be OK.
There is a animal body and there is a Spiritual body or there is a sensuous body and there is a Spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
uses the same words.
1) But the sensuous man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2) But the animal man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned. But he that is Spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
In short flesh is not even mentioned and the Spirit that is mentioned is God's Spirit.
Kerwin.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, **we shall be like him**;
***for we shall see him as he is**.
WHAT?
I THOUGHT THEY HAVE SEEN CHRIST APPEAR
WITH HIS WOUNDS AND ALL.THAT WAS NOT WHAT HE REALLY IS.
HE SHOWED HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO PROOF TO HIS BRETHREN THAT IT IS HE WHOM WAS DEAD, AND IS ALIVE.
YOU WANT TO SEE HOW HE REALLY IS, GO AND READ REV.19:13.wakeup.
Wakeup,That is not what Scripture states about the matter but you keep repeating it anyways.
What Scripture states and you do not is:
Acts 1:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 to whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Jesus proved he was a living human being by giving his students infallible proofs he was alive after his resurrection.
Touch me and see I have flesh and bone and therefore I am not a ghost and am instead alive.
Feed me and see that I consume it and therefore am alive.Get rid of your Roman Catholic teaching of an assumed body.
Wakeup,Actually, I it is me that misunderstood you.
Wakeup,
After that false start I looked up Revelations 1:13 and its context and it seems you believe that instead of a tongue Jesus has a sharp sword that comes out of his mouth, Revelation 19:11-16. That is certainly not the appearance he had just after his mortality and before he ascended to heaven though he did use his tongue like a sharp sword that came out of his mouth even before his death. In any case he is not described as lacking a body in Revelations 19:13.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 01 2013,06:58) There is a animal body and there is a Spiritual body or there is a sensuous body and there is a Spiritual body.
Kerwin…….Perhaps this will help your explain to them.There is a sensual flesh “BODY”, that can deny the Spirit in it,, and there is a “BODY” that can be controlled by the Spirit of GOD in it. Now those who are dying with Christ are crucifying their sinful “natures” not there Bodies, how?, by the Spirit of GOD.
Paul said if you sow to the Spirit you will reap life , but if we sow to the fleshly pulls, we will reap death, he did not say if you destroy your bodies, you will reap life now did he? He also said to those in the Church, they were not in the flesh, that was to say not living by it, because they were not sowing to the flesh, to satisfy its lusts.
All who do this are not considered “of” the flesh, even though they have Flesh BODIES. Our bodies do not make us sinners , it is what is in these bodies that causes us to sin. John said this “All that is in the world, the lust of the eyes , the lust of the flesh, the pride of life, COMES FROM THE WORLD, not from the Body itself.
Therefore Paul said “I find no good thing in me “BECAUSE” to “WILL” is Present. and again, O retched man that i am, who can deliver me from “THIS” body of death. Paul was not saying he wanted to do away with having a Body no, but “THIS” BODY, So we must all have a Chang of BODIES, not NO BODY, at all. That is what the resurrection is all about a NEW “BODY” , Spirits are not bodies of any kind they are what dwell “IN” Bodies.
Kerwin, not only that, if what they are saying is correct then there would be no need of a resurrection at all.
Also they can not produce even ONE scripture that says there is a SPIRIT “BODY” why because Spirits do not have bodies they are (intellects that give us cognate thoughts) they come in all kinds and Types, clean or unclean, Godly, from the devil and they “INDWELL” BODIES, all spirits desire flesh bodies. IMO
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