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MT 16:25 “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
MK 8:35 “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it.
LK 9:24 “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it.those scriptures tells you what and why and how you lose or save your life ,
Mk 8:31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.
Mk 8:32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
Mk 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
Mk 8:34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.are you guys ready to give up your life for your faith in Christ ? even though men would kill you for ?
Terricca……question is are you? If you haven’t given up the way “YOU LIVE” BY NOW YOU, I hardly believe you will latter. Only God knows that not me.
Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
GENE
Terricca……question is are you? If you haven’t given up the way “YOU LIVE” BY NOW YOU, I hardly believe you will latter. Only God knows that not me.
WHY ARE YOU CHANGING THE FOCUS OF THE SCRIPTURES ? WHAT WAS IT THAT THE SCRIPTURES SAID ? UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DO NOT BUILD UP A STRONG FAITH WHILE WE CAN DO IT ,HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES ? TELL ME
Terricca…….Here a scripture for you, “HAVE YOU FAITH, HAVE IT UNTO YOURSELF”.
Your so busy telling other what they lack or don’t understand, your not seeing youself. Here is another one that seems to fit here.
” WHY BEHOLD THE SPLINTER IN YOU BROTHER EYE AND SEE NOT THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYE” YOU NEED TO FIRST REMOTE THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY TO REMOVE THE SPLINTER IN YOUR BROTHER EYE”.
Peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Hi GB,
Your interpretation of trying to save your own life opposes the words written.
Why not try believing what is written?
let go of the direction of men.
GENE
Terricca…….Here a scripture for you, “HAVE YOU FAITH, HAVE IT UNTO YOURSELF”.
IS THIS A VERSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ? WHERE IS IT LOCATED ? WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF QUOTING THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE ?
” WHY BEHOLD THE SPLINTER IN YOU BROTHER EYE AND SEE NOT THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYE” YOU NEED TO FIRST REMOTE THE BEAM IN YOUR OWN EYE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY TO REMOVE THE SPLINTER IN YOUR BROTHER EYE”.
BUT I DO NOT LOOK IN YOUR EYE FOR IT IS YOU THAT SHOW ME THE “BEAM” IN YOUR MIND AND HEART BY THE THINGS YOU WRITHING TO ME ,
BUT I PRESENT YOU WITH SCRIPTURES YOU DO NOT WHY IS THAT ?
ARE YOU NOT READING THE SAME SCRIPTURES ? YES YOU SAY YOU DO , SO IT IS YOUR MEN MADE UP STORIES THAT IS IN YOUR EYES AND HEART THAT MAKE YOU BLIND FROM THE TRUTH OF GOD ,NOT ME ,
T,
you can try to turn the scriptures to mean what you personally want them to say ,and for this you have to give a explanation to the scriptures that talks about the man that came from heaven to make him just a regular man ,and you think i don’t know were you are going ? yes i know you will put a lie upon a lie ,until nothing will make sense ,we went there once ,what i do not understand is your determination to make the scriptures an amount of lies
any way it seems you are not looking for God’s truth but yours ,you will never make it ,
That is the larger issue but it is not what I am trying to address right now. I am instead pointing out that the way that you were interpreting Psalms 49:7 to mean that Jesus was not a human at the time he gave his life for us. If you want to go on just admit you misunderstood the passage and then we can progress. If you cannot admit it then we go on to other things as you have reached your limits.
T,
One thief on the cross confessed his belief that Jesus was a righteous man but that thief was still in bondage to sin. It is only by living according to the Spirit that a person is set free from that bondage. Belief without the Spirit will always fall short of the glory of God. The Spirit has never been given to fallen man that is outside the new covenant.
K
but that thief was still in bondage to sin. It is only by living according to the Spirit that a person is set free from that bondage. The Spirit has never been given to fallen man that is outside the new covenant.
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Lk 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’”
Lk 23:43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”2) Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.; ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE THIEF IS NOT INCLUDED IN “EVERYONE” ?
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LK 15:7 “I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.4)
Lk 18:13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
Lk 18:14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”5) WHY ARE YOU JUDGING WHO WILL OR NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM KERWIN?
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MT 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
LK 6:27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
LK 6:35 “But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE GRACE OF GOD ?
T,
Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.; ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE THIEF IS NOT INCLUDED IN “EVERYONE” ?
No, he just could not receive the Spirit because he perished apart from the new covenant.
K
No, he just could not receive the Spirit because he perished apart from the new covenant.
SO YOU SAY ;THE THIEF IS NOT INCLUDED IN JESUS WORDS ; “EVERYONE’ SO HE IS NOT INCLUDED IN “SINNER” AS WELL ,HE ALSO IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE IN “LOVE YOUR ENEMIES ” EITHER
WHO ARE YOU TO SO JUDGE WHO AS THE RIGHT TO BE FORGIVEN OR NOT ;KERWIN YOU ARE NOT DECEIVING YOURSELF BY YOUR OWN SELFISH AND MEN’S VIEW ?
T,
I am sorry for making my answer confusing by introducing the second negative of a double negative statement. I am saying the thief is included those that will inherit eternal life but he did not receive the Spirit in its role of Advocate because he perished apart from the new covenant.
K
I am sorry for making my answer confusing by introducing the second negative of a double negative statement. I am saying the thief is included those that will inherit eternal life but he did not receive the Spirit in its role of Advocate because he perished apart from the new covenant.
THAT’S CORRECT ;BUT YOUR LAST PART SEEM NOT RIGHT ;
Lk 23:39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
Lk 23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence?
Lk 23:41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Lk 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’”
Lk 23:43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”I BELIEVE THAT SINCE HE REBUKED THE OTHER THIEF HE SHOWED WITNESSING OF WHAT HE KNEW AND SAW AND SO THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH HAS COME TO HIM AFTER ALL ;
T,
Jeremiah 31:31-33New English Translation (NET Bible)
31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord. 33 “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.
The new covenant was established by the self sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus though he had to ascend to heaven first in order to send the Spirit that would teach those that believe. The thief dies before Jesus was resurrected and so could not be under the new covenant.
Those that are under the new covenant should inherit the kingdom of God but those of them that choose to live by the flesh and not by the Spirit will not inherit the kingdom of God. Abraham, who despite the fact he was not under the new covenant will still inherit the kingdom of heaven. The thief is similar to Abraham though unlike Abraham he was under the Law of Moses.
kerwin
The new covenant was established by the self sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus though he had to ascend to heaven first in order to send the Spirit that would teach those that believe. The thief dies before Jesus was resurrected and so could not be under the new covenant.
Those that are under the new covenant should inherit the kingdom of God but those of them that choose to live by the flesh and not by the Spirit will not inherit the kingdom of God. Abraham, who despite the fact he was not under the new covenant will still inherit the kingdom of heaven. The thief is similar to Abraham though unlike Abraham he was under the Law of Moses.
IF YOU CAN PROVE THIS WITH THE SCRIPTURES I WOULD BELIEVE IT AND I MEAN ALL THE SCRIPTURES ;BUT I CAN SEE YOU REALLY DID NOT ANSWER MY QUOTE ,AND THE PREVIOUS MANY QUESTIONS ;
THIS MEANS THAT YOU ONLY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES INTO A RELION WAY MAN MADE ANSWERS
T,
Please ask the question you do not think I answered again.
1) The new covenant was established by the self sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus
It is my thought that Romans 6:3-5 is sufficient to reveal this point.
2) though he had to ascend to heaven first in order to send the Spirit that would teach those that believe.
John 14:26 instructs us that the Spirit teaches us all things and John 16:7 tells us Jesus had to go away for the Spirit to come.
3) The thief dies before Jesus was resurrected and so could not be under the new covenant.
The thief died the same day Jesus did, Luke 23:43.
I hope to cover the rest later if I see sufficient reason.
K
1) The new covenant was established by the self sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus
It is my thought that Romans 6:3-5 is sufficient to reveal this point.
Lk 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you
Jesus died before the thief ;
Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned,this scripture cannot be broken ; so to me and my understanding the thief that repent was saved by Christ
T,
I agree Jesus died before the thief as they broke the legs of the later but not of Jesus and the reason they gave for not breaking his legs is that he was already dead.
If I understand correctly you believe the new covenant was put in effect as soon as Jesus died. The passage from Romans 6 used both Jesus’ death and resurrection to explain the effects of immersion. I am of the belief that the new covenant was not in effect until Jesus was in heaven to serve as its mediator.
I will look into this a some more.
K
I agree Jesus died before the thief as they broke the legs of the later but not of Jesus and the reason they gave for not breaking his legs is that he was already dead.
If I understand correctly you believe the new covenant was put in effect as soon as Jesus died. The passage from Romans 6 used both Jesus’ death and resurrection to explain the effects of immersion. I am of the belief that the new covenant was not in effect until Jesus was in heaven to serve as its mediator
WHEN THE OFFERING IS CONSUMED (BURNED AND OFFERED)THEN THE REASON FOR IT AS TO ACCOMPLISHED
ROMAN 6 DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE OFFERING BUT WITH THE REASON OF IT AND HOW IT APPLIES TO US TO BE SAVED ;AND TO LIVE OUR LIVES ACCORDINGLY
T,
I do not know about that but I do know that Jesus had to be in heaven before he could send the Advocate or Mediate. We also know that Jesus was in heaven when he sent the Spirit to his disciples on Pentecost. I see nothing in Scripture that teaches me any human, but Jesus, was in the new covenant previous to that Pentecost.
I believe this passage relates.
Galatians 3:19New English Translation (NET Bible)
19 Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the descendant to whom the promise had been made. It was administered through angels by an intermediary.
I do know that in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man that both Lazarus and Abraham were in Paradise while the rich man was in Tartarus. Abraham died before the new covenant.
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