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Hi KW,
Yes the reason is that scripture does not say such things
You do but so what?
Your derivations do not match truth
Nick……..God himself spoke in that vision and said that this was the “whole” house of Israel, not just part of it. Also it was a prophetic vision, which shows a future event that will take place. You seem to think it is not true because it was a vision, and that is your reason to throwING God own words out of your bible? That does not sound like you brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Kerwin…….I also believe God originally created man to live for ever just the way he was created, and they were in the kingdom of God while they were in the garden , but sin changed it to what we have today, they were forced out of the garden of God , because they refused to obey God, and want to experience good and evil for themselves first hand, so God removed them from his presence and not just them but the whole world as it is to this day, until the time appointed by God to change it all back. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Hi GB,
If that vision includes you will you have to die in this valley before the return of the lord?
Nick,
Yes the reason is that scripture does not say such things
If you knew what the kingdom of God is then you would know that Eden was in it before mankind sinned. That is why it is clear you fail comprehend what Scripture say. Your reason for being unable to understand is not as clear. I cannot help you so really it is best to go on to something else/
Gene,
Kerwin…….I also believe God originally created man to live for ever just the way he was created, and they were in the kingdom of God while they were in the garden , but sin changed it to what we have today, they were forced out of the garden of God , because they refused to obey God, and want to experience good and evil for themselves first hand, so God removed them from his presence and not just them but the whole world as it is to this day, until the time appointed by God to change it all back. IMO
Sounds right.
Hi KW,
So if I had your special knowledge I could confidently place my words alongside scripture and declare them equal?
But is that not gnosticism?
Nick……Do you now denounce God own words, for you own views, while the word “valley” may have been a symbolic term , the rest sure was not, are you saying it was a vision and therefore can not be believed , I think you may have to take that up with him someday. I would be careful how I malign scripture especially when God the Father is speaking it, if I were you.
peac and love to you and yours……………..gene
GENE
Kerwin…….I also believe God originally created man to live for ever just the way he was created, and they were in the kingdom of God while they were in the garden , but sin changed it to what we have today, they were forced out of the garden of God , because they refused to obey God, and want to experience good and evil for themselves first hand, so God removed them from his presence and not just them but the whole world as it is to this day, until the time appointed by God to change it all back. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
IN A NUTSHELL YOU RIGHT
Nick,
But do you?
Do make some mere idiom to suit your dogmas
I seek to resolve apparent contradictions in Scripture without creating new teachings. Thus I have Paul teaching that a man is buried mortal and rises immortal from the grave. I also know that used Jesus to show there would be a resurrection of the dead. For Jesus to be such an example then he too must have been planted mortal and rose immortal. Paul’s words do not leave any other option. Without such an option being available the clause “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God” cannot be interpreted literally as to interpret it that way breaks Scripture.
Notice I did not have to invent another teaching such as claiming Jesus rose in mortal body but changed later. All I did was interpret one passage differently than you choose to.
I did not make the idiom but certain experts claim that idiom was already in use at the time Paul wrote his letter to the Corinthians.
Hi KW,
Only as you see it.
You forget he was taken up.if you cannot see resolution in scripture it is not for you to ADD
Nick,
Hi KW,
Only as you see it.
You forget he was taken up.if you cannot see resolution in scripture it is not for you to ADD
I did not mention it as it was irrelevant to what I was speaking about. I know Jesus was take into heaven and the Eleven saw him and did not report he was changed as he went up. Some claim he was changed after he entered the clouds but there is nothing said in Scripture about it. The only reason they teach that is because they need to justify their chosen interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:50.
T,
IF JESUS WAS FLESH AND BONES ONLY HE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING FOR US ,NOT EVEN FOR HIMSELF
I do not know why you say that but I do know Jesus is not an angel as it is written he was made better than them because he inherited a name superior to theirs, Hebrews 1:4.
From what I have heard Jesus’ ability to do anything for us has nothing to do with his body except that he is a human being just like us and everything to do with the fact he was tempted by evil and chose not to sin even to the point of torment and death.
K
I do not know why you say that but I do know Jesus is not an angel as it is written he was made better than them because he inherited a name superior to theirs, Hebrews 1:4.
From what I have heard Jesus’ ability to do anything for us has nothing to do with his body except that he is a human being just like us and everything to do with the fact he was tempted by evil and chose not to sin even to the point of torment and death.
TRY TO LOOK AT ALL THE SCRIPTURES TO UNDERSTAND THEM IN THE APPROPRIATE ORDER ;
FIRST ;Ps 49:7 No man can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for him—
Ps 49:8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough—
Ps 49:9 that he should live on forever
and not see decay.THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR MEN ON IS OWN CANNOT SAVE HIMSELF ;NO QUESTION THERE ;
WHAT WAS SAID IN THE BEGINNING ;Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS WE CAN SEE THAT GOD IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND IT WILL NOT BE TROUGH MEN’
NOW TROUGH OUT THE SCRIPTURES GOD THROUGH HIS PROPHETS TELLS BIT BY BIT WHO AND HOW AND WHERE,AND WHY HE WILL BRING BACK HIS PEOPLE ,” HIS PEOPLE ” MEANING THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM AND OBEY HIM ,ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT HIS CONDITION JUST AS THE ISRAELITE S HAVE TO ACCEPT MOSES TESTIMONY BEFORE GOD WHEN HE PRESENTED THEM THE LAW OF COVENANT ;THEN CAME THE PROPHECY EVEN MOSES ;SAID THAT AFTER HIM WILL COME A PROPHET LIKE HIM AND THAT THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO HIM “BUT THEY DID NOT OBEY THAT PROPHECY,
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