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Hi KW,
So if a phrase is an idiom in English you can assume it also was in the language of Jesus.
Or are you just protecting a dogma by TAKING AWAY from truth?
Jesus has flesh and bone after his resurrection.
Therefore Jesus cannot be a spirit.Wakeup,
The flesh and bone in which Adam and Eve were created were a reference to an immortal FLESH AND SPIRIT BODY
THE BONE IS TO SIGNIFY A SPIRIT ELEMENT, SINCE IT IS A COMMON SENSE THAT A FLESH BODY MUST HAVE A BONE STRUCTURE!
TO CLARIFY:
A PERSON IN FLESH AND BLOOD HAS BONES AS WELL ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT MENTIONED!
Regarding Jesus resurrection he RESURRECTED IN A SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY LIKE THAT OF ADAM, SINCE ADAM LOST HIS!
THEREFORE A PERFECT MAN, LIKE ADAM WAS, BUT NOT YET FULLY DIVINE!
NOW, SINCE ADAM SINNED AND MORTAL FLESH WAS ESTABLISHED, JESUS BECAME MORTAL FLESH IN ORDER TO OWN THE MORTAL FLESH AND FURNISH IT WITH LIFE AGAIN, THROUGH DEATH ITSELF AND ERADICATED SATAN AS THE DEATH SPIRIT, AND THE OWNER OF ALL DEATH ELEMENTS, THE WHOLE MATERIAL WORLD! AND FROM THEN ON JESUS BECAME THE ONLY PERSON WHICH HAD THE ABSOLUTE JUSTIFIED RIGHT, TO MANIFEST HIMSELF AS HE FEELS FIT, EITHER IN FLESH OR IN SPIRIT! AND EVERYWHERE! EVEN IN HELL FIRE LIKE HE DID BANG ON HIS DEATH! THE ONLY WAY TO CONVINCE SATAN THAT HE WAS DIVINE!
FEW HOURS AFTER JESUS RESURRECTED IN HIS SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY, HE INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL ,THE FORMER HOLY SPIRIT WHO RETURNED FROM HELL, WHO ALSO CONCEIVED MARY, AND BUILT JESUS’ FLESH BODY!
SO BOTH THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL, AND THE RESURRECTED SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY OF JESUS BECAME ONE DIVINE BEING
GODMAN,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST!
HE MANIFESTED THIS WHEN HE WENT THROUGH STONE WALLS AND DECLARED THAT HE WAS MADE OF FLESH AND BONE!
SO AGAIN JESUS COULD HAVE SAID FLESH AND BLOOD, OR FLESH ONLY,AND STILL COULD HAVE MADE US AWARE THAT HE HAD ALSO BONES,
BUT AGAIN THE FACT THAT HE SAID FLESH AND BONE HE ONLY DID SO TO SIGNIFY THAT HE WAS MADE OF FLESH AND SPIRIT, ALSO HE MADE US AWARE THAT HE WAS DEFINITELY WITHOUT BLOOD! AND MADE US AWARE THAT HE HAD IN THE TRUTH:
ASCENDED IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER! LIKE HE SAID FEW HOURS BEFORE TO MAGDALENE!
SO JESUS WAS BOTH:
SPIRIT and FLESH, MALE and FEMALE, SPIRIT and MATTER, INVISIBLE and VISIBLE, HEAVENLY and EARTHLY, LIGHT and DARKNESS, IMMORTAL and MORTAL, GOOD and EVIL ?. FIRST and LAST, BEGINNING and END, ALPHA and OMEGA!
THE ONLY FATHER OF ALL! BOTH MORTALS AND IMMORTALS
GOD ALMIGHTY IS NOT THE FATHER OF MORTALS, BUT IN JESUS HE WAS, AND IS
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi KW,
Of course Paul did not write in English.
And if God had meant us to take his word as idiom He would have told us.
Your words are not relevant
Nick,
Which you have no right to use to diminish scripture
You are the one accusing me of diminishing Scripture because you do not believe what I say.
Your opinion on reasoning and idiom are not from Scripture either but are response to your lack of belief.
You deny Eden was in the kingdom of God despite the fact their was “be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” for creation was not yet made made subject to vanity because mankind had yet sinned.
You are blind that at the same time creation was bound to frustration so was the flesh that God created. It was not changed from non flesh to flesh when it was bound but remained flesh, though its lost its glory, for what was perfect became imperfect.
In short it is you that diminish Scripture because of your unbelief.
Hi KW,
Indeed I do not believe what you say.
You speak falsely.
Your ideas about Eden are from you not scripture.
Is that a cast in your eye?
Nick,
As I already pointed out your ideas about Eden are false for you believe there is a place that there is “no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” and yet is not the kingdom of God. So according to you the devil ruled in Eden and yet there was no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain”
You say you do not believe it but it is the only alternative to what I stated and you say you do not believe that. Are you are trying to sit on the wall and invent even stranger teachings that you already advance.
Hi KW,
Yes you reserve to yourself the right to make declarations about Eden.
Do you not need to rely on revelation if logic is your foundation?Should we rather follow you??
Hi KW,
Is it OK to build on human reasoning and personal inference while claiming Spiritual guidance?Nick,
Yes you reserve to yourself the right to make declarations about Eden.
Do you not need to rely on revelation if logic is your foundation?Should we rather follow you??
Actually I give the reasons I believe Eden is part of the kingdom of God but your point is that is not literally called part of the kingdom of God. The only alternative to the kingdom that is not of God. Eden was either one or the other. You are well aware there no dying, sorrow, crying, or pain in Eden before creation was made subject to vanity.
You are falling faults where there are no faults.
Jude 1:16New English Translation (NET Bible)
16 These people are grumblers and fault-finders who go wherever their desires lead them, and they give bombastic speeches, enchanting folks for their own gain.
Nick,
Is it OK to build on human reasoning and personal inference while claiming Spiritual guidance?
Every time you say this it is clear you have not idea what the difference between human reason and Spiritual reason is even though Scripture tells you the difference between living by the flesh and living by the Spirit even as you live in a body composed of flesh and blood.
Since you are not listening to Scripture why would you listen to me when I say the same thing.
Nick,
Because I say what Scripture does. I am not afraid to quote Scripture to make my point.
Your accusation is groundless because you want no knowledge of what “human reason” is but instead use a definition that you really know is not what Scripture says. Learn wisdom so that you know what you are speaking of.
Hi KW,
Paul wanted to be free from his earthly house[body] to be housed from above[new body-Rom7, 2 cor 5]But you think he was deceived?
Nick,
Many people use scripture
But they should rather submit their minds to that truthYes, that is what I believe your error is.
Hi KW,
Paul wanted to be free from his earthly house[body] to be housed from above[new body-Rom7, 2 cor 5]But you think he was deceived?
I have to figure our what you mean by what you say based on the context of our past conversation and other information. Usually it easier for me to go to the Scripture and
2 Corinthians 5:1-4New English Translation (NET Bible)
5 For we know that if our earthly house, the tent we live in, is dismantled, we have a building from God, a house not built by human hands, that is eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this earthly house we groan, because we desire to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 if indeed, after we have put on our heavenly house, we will not be found naked. 4 For we groan while we are in this tent, since we are weighed down, because we do not want to be unclothed, but clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
So there is a body that might be destroyed and a body that is built by God and not with human effort. The later body is eternal in the heavens.
I find it interesting that Paul chose to use the word “if” as that means the body will either be destroyed or not. I believe that is in reference to those who die and have their body rot away vs those who are changed at the second coming.
Passages this brings to mind is Jesus speaking of those who destroy the body vs he that destroys the body and soul by tossing it in the lake of fire, Jesus saying he has mansions prepared for his students, and the mortal body being enlivened.
I have not looked at Romans 7 yet.
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