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I haven't followed this thread, but the answer to the question is “FALSE”. Jesus no longer consists of flesh, blood, or bone.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,10:43) Mike, Non-corporeal means they have no bodies. They are living creatures who are equivalent to ghosts.
So then your FINAL answer is that SOME angels of God and Satan are truly spirit beings, while OTHER angels of God and Satan have this “spiritual flesh” thing you've made up. Have I put it accurately, according to your belief?Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,11:07) Wakeup, All angels are ministering spirits as the spirit they live by is one of ministering.
Wakeup,Kerwin believes “angels are ministering spirits” means the same thing as “angels have ministering spirits”.
You might as well run away now, because he will never relent.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13) We must conceived and born the new man and that is a change of spirit and not flesh.
Oh. So then Jesus REALLY taught Nicodemus that flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to a different kind of “spiritual flesh”, but it is still flesh nonetheless?Come on, Man!
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13) Your only real sticking point because you choose to disregard evidence that Jews, like Paul, used “flesh and blood” as an idiom to mean mortal.
Kerwin,When Paul was explaining about the differences between the flesh of people, animals, birds, and fish, did the word “flesh” literally MEAN “flesh”? Or did it mean “mortal” or “sinful”?
Which one please?
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:01) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,05:52) Wakeup, Yes, Jesus was born of the Spirit the first time and so unlike other men does not need to be born again.
Kerwin.When you are born of the spirit;you are spirit.(Jesus words).
Was Jesus flesh or spirit?
You said that Jesus was born of the spirit,and no need to be born again.
But he was made flesh,and not glorified flesh.Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the **firstborn** of every creature:(BORN AGAIN).
wakeup.
Uh oh. What now, Kerwin?Never mind. I see you did your normal job of “dodging” and “confusing”.
Nothing in your subsequent posts adequately ADDRESSED Wakeup's point, Kerwin.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,06:13) Wakeup, Jesus words are that flesh is conceived of flesh and spirit of spirit. A man has a body of flesh and walks according to a spirit, whether it be of Satan or God. Those that walk by the spirit of Satan are like their father and fall short of God's glory but those who walk by the Spirit of God do not sin even though tempted as is common to man. Galatians 5:25, 2 Corinthians 12:18, Romans 8:4, and even Ephesians 2:2 tells you this. Jesus' words are about seeking first God's righteousness and kingdom.
Kerwin.You believe:
1.Angels are creatures of flesh, with the spirit of God inside.
2.Satan is a creature of flesh, with the spirit of—-whom
inside?3. You will say: The spirit of satan.
4. I will ask: **who is this spirit** inside satan?
5. Has he got a name?
6. Satan is the *father* of evil.
7. Evil itself is spirit.
8. If satan is flesh,can he give birth to spirit?
7. Evil men simply follow satans spirit.Kerwin: Who is satans spirit inside him??
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,07:23) Wakeup, I do not know what conversation you have been involved in but I constantly use Scripture and instead of relying on my own interpretation I seek to learn the truth using whatever tool God chooses to give me. You seem to seldom use Scripture and to rely heavily on your understanding by rejecting the tools God chooses to give you.
You are like the man on a roof top during a flood that prays for succor but reject the rescuers God sends to them because they are men. In the end his choices leads to death even though he prayed.
Start seeking first God's righteousness and his kingdom and all else will be given to you.
Kerwin.First of all I will not accept a so called rescuer
with a bomb around his waist.There are many false rescuers/prophets.
The Word of God is my sanctuary.
Soothing words,enticing words,misleading words,
I dont go for.
You have judged your self by your own words.
Rejecting the truth of the scriptures.Embracing mens words,and can not see,
where you are going.
After all those years you have spend reading.
Its time to be weaned from the breast.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,06:13) Wakeup, Jesus words are that flesh is conceived of flesh and spirit of spirit. A man has a body of flesh and walks according to a spirit, whether it be of Satan or God. Those that walk by the spirit of Satan are like their father and fall short of God's glory but those who walk by the Spirit of God do not sin even though tempted as is common to man. Galatians 5:25, 2 Corinthians 12:18, Romans 8:4, and even Ephesians 2:2 tells you this. Jesus' words are about seeking first God's righteousness and kingdom.
Kerwin……….This is true, a body is a part of us and will always be ,therefore when a person dies a Body must be reconstructed again for the person to live again, and it, the Kind or type of Spirit that DWELLS “IN” that body is what determines what that “LIVING SOUL”, is doing, rather an Animal or Man . Scripture plainly shows a person will not live again after death, until He or she is resurrected just as Jesus was, and that Person will have a Physical Body, Just as Jesus did after his resurrection.This whole concept about us becoming Just a Spirit, floating around some where, is pure Paganism, and is not what scripture plainly shows, A flesh resurrection is absolutely necessary for anyone who is dead needs, to be able to live again. Even Jesus said he was “DEAD”, and after his resurrection, He said ,He now was “ALIVE” for evermore, To keep the spirit away from the body is what DEATH is.
Kerwin you have explained much of this topic right IMO , but they just do not get it, because it simply has not been given unto them it seems.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:57) Never mind. I see you did your normal job of “dodging” and “confusing”. Nothing in your subsequent posts adequately ADDRESSED Wakeup's point, Kerwin.
Mike,Wakeup and you both misunderstand what Jesus meant when he states spirit is born of spirit.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,10:05) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,06:13) Wakeup, Jesus words are that flesh is conceived of flesh and spirit of spirit. A man has a body of flesh and walks according to a spirit, whether it be of Satan or God. Those that walk by the spirit of Satan are like their father and fall short of God's glory but those who walk by the Spirit of God do not sin even though tempted as is common to man. Galatians 5:25, 2 Corinthians 12:18, Romans 8:4, and even Ephesians 2:2 tells you this. Jesus' words are about seeking first God's righteousness and kingdom.
Kerwin.You believe:
1.Angels are creatures of flesh, with the spirit of God inside.
2.Satan is a creature of flesh, with the spirit of—-whom
inside?3. You will say: The spirit of satan.
4. I will ask: **who is this spirit** inside satan?
5. Has he got a name?
6. Satan is the *father* of evil.
7. Evil itself is spirit.
8. If satan is flesh,can he give birth to spirit?
7. Evil men simply follow satans spirit.Kerwin: Who is satans spirit inside him??
wakeup.
Wakeup,You said that “Evil itself is spirit” and that is the spirit inside Satan and the spirit by which he fathers his children. It is a spirit that is present in many people and Satan lives in those who chose to obey it, by that spirit. It is also the means by which demons tempt man but those that reject the desires of it, are not Satan's children.
Evil doers are enticed by the temptation of their evil spirit by which Satan can rule over men and does rule over demons.
I think I answered all your questions.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,22:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:57) Never mind. I see you did your normal job of “dodging” and “confusing”. Nothing in your subsequent posts adequately ADDRESSED Wakeup's point, Kerwin.
Mike,Wakeup and you both misunderstand what Jesus meant when he states spirit is born of spirit.
kI believe that what Jesus said mean just ;that “TRUTH GIVE BIRTH TO TRUTH “BECAUSE GOD HIS TRUTH AND HIS WORDS ARE TRUTHS
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:48) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13) We must conceived and born the new man and that is a change of spirit and not flesh.
Oh. So then Jesus REALLY taught Nicodemus that flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to a different kind of “spiritual flesh”, but it is still flesh nonetheless?Come on, Man!
Mike,No, spirit gives birth to a new spirit in the man that is born again.
A new spirit is necessary to inherit the reign of God.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,22:42) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,22:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:57) Never mind. I see you did your normal job of “dodging” and “confusing”. Nothing in your subsequent posts adequately ADDRESSED Wakeup's point, Kerwin.
Mike,Wakeup and you both misunderstand what Jesus meant when he states spirit is born of spirit.
kI believe that what Jesus said mean just ;that “TRUTH GIVE BIRTH TO TRUTH “BECAUSE GOD HIS TRUTH AND HIS WORDS ARE TRUTHS
T,That works.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,03:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,10:05) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,06:13) Wakeup, Jesus words are that flesh is conceived of flesh and spirit of spirit. A man has a body of flesh and walks according to a spirit, whether it be of Satan or God. Those that walk by the spirit of Satan are like their father and fall short of God's glory but those who walk by the Spirit of God do not sin even though tempted as is common to man. Galatians 5:25, 2 Corinthians 12:18, Romans 8:4, and even Ephesians 2:2 tells you this. Jesus' words are about seeking first God's righteousness and kingdom.
Kerwin.You believe:
1.Angels are creatures of flesh, with the spirit of God inside.
2.Satan is a creature of flesh, with the spirit of—-whom
inside?3. You will say: The spirit of satan.
4. I will ask: **who is this spirit** inside satan?
5. Has he got a name?
6. Satan is the *father* of evil.
7. Evil itself is spirit.
8. If satan is flesh,can he give birth to spirit?
7. Evil men simply follow satans spirit.Kerwin: Who is satans spirit inside him??
wakeup.
Wakeup,You said that “Evil itself is spirit” and that is the spirit inside Satan and the spirit by which he fathers his children. It is a spirit that is present in many people and Satan lives in those who chose to obey it, by that spirit. It is also the means by which demons tempt man but those that reject the desires of it, are not Satan's children.
Evil doers are enticed by the temptation of their evil spirit by which Satan can rule over men and does rule over demons.
I think I answered all your questions.
Kerwin.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what *we* shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;
***for we shall see him as he is***.When he appear,then we shall see him **as he is**,a spirit
being,as he was before the creation.Please provide scriptures saying,
satan is flesh with evil in him.
If you can not,than it's your own interpretation.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Quote When he appear,then we shall see him **as he is**,a spirit
being,as he was before the creation.You have not yet produced any evidence that this is so except your own word.
Wakeup,
Quote Please provide scriptures saying,
satan is flesh with evil in him.So you are claiming even though evil is a spirit Satan, the evil one, does not have it in him?
1 Corinthians 2:12
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Whose spirit do you think the spirit of the world is?
John 8:44
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Which spirit do you thing Satan lives when he does evil things?
Which spirit do you think his children live by?Luke 22:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
How do you think Satan entered into Judas Iscariot?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:44) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,10:43) Mike, Non-corporeal means they have no bodies. They are living creatures who are equivalent to ghosts.
So then your FINAL answer is that SOME angels of God and Satan are truly spirit beings, while OTHER angels of God and Satan have this “spiritual flesh” thing you've made up. Have I put it accurately, according to your belief?
Mike,It seems so from what is written in Job. Micaiah's words seem to hint that way as well.
Angel “flesh” is not human flesh.
I am not as sure of non-corporeal members of the hosts nor am I sure of what angel flesh is composed of, except I know it is not composed of spirit as spirit is non-corporeal.
I did not make up Spiritual flesh as the living body is flesh of some type and Scripture mentions the Spiritual body.
Otherwise it sounds like you are correct.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13) Your only real sticking point because you choose to disregard evidence that Jews, like Paul, used “flesh and blood” as an idiom to mean mortal.
Kerwin,When Paul was explaining about the differences between the flesh of people, animals, birds, and fish, did the word “flesh” literally MEAN “flesh”? Or did it mean “mortal” or “sinful”?
Which one please?
Mike,Paul was probably talking about mortal flesh as his examples were creatures mentioned were were not yet creatures of the world to come. He was applying the pattern to both mortal and immortal bodies so it may be he was talking about both.
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