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Wakeup,
In the same way the children of Israel worshiped David and God in 1 Chronicles 29:20 but not in the way that some are rebuked for worshiping angels, Colossians 2:18.
T,
there is no one that can claim that he will be or is like christ the son of GOD ;
I am not sure where you are coming from as Scripture tells us those who persevere in belief are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ and those same believers are instructed to put on the new man who is created to be like God in true holiness and righteousness. Since a believer is told that he can be like God if he chooses to put on his new man then why would you doubt he would be like Jesus in the same ways?
you can only have some relation to him by being a believer in his father like him,believe in him as well ;where does leaves you ,certain thing cannot be shared ,no matter what
Yes, faith is necessary to reach the goal to which a believer is called.
Yes, those who persist in being like God in true holiness and righteousness will not be like Jesus in all ways but will only be conformed to his image in its likeness to God in the ways of true holiness and righteousness. Those is the only two things I know of Scripture teaching us we will be like him in though it teaches faith is also critical.
you show me were anyone that is high like a king that honor someone at his table and he would be at the same equal height in honor to that king ?
The kingdom of God is not like the kingdoms of this world and so the highest is he that serves the most. Jesus serves us the most as no one else in all of time can sacrifice themselves like him for all others of all ages have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and therefore can only obtain that glory through Jesus Christ, who as king serves us by teaching us all things through the Spirit.
Terricca…………Did not Jessu say the student is not above his master, it is enough the the student be just LIKE his teacher. But you say we can not be LIKE Jesus. The word of Jesus says differently. You have moved Jesus away from yourself and made him differtent then you are. While he is now highely exaluted, he was not born that way, he came to be what he is now. We are also given that same opertunity to come to the measure and “FULL” stature of Christ.
You and all who teach a creed of SEPARATION, are playing right into the hand of Satan and don’t even know it.
What Kerwin is saying is right we are to image God Just as Jessu does. that is the desteny of all true christians is to be EXACTLY , like Jesus in every way. IMO
peace and love to you nd yours……………………………….gene
To all……………………I have just finished reading a book entitled HOW JESUS BECAME GOD , written by Bart D. Ehrman. I highely recommend it to all of you , it is a historical book of the develoment of CHROSTOLGY . It shows how the view of Jessu changed over the first 400 years after Jesus’ death, how the original apostles view Jesus as a human Massiah a apocalyptic preacher proclaming the comming kingdom of God. You will find it amazing how the early concepts of who Jesus was changed over that 400 year spam. Ehrman takes it step by step with actual historic records which shows the changes of who and what Jesus came to be and the evolvement of our present day idea of who he His. I highely recommend this book.
peace and love to you all……………………………gene
If you believe that Jesus was just a prophet;you have adopted the spirit of islam.
One member gone off the fold.
wakeup.
K
MT 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “ All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
those are the words of Jesus ,now tell me ;what authority did the disciples received or will ever receive ?
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.they the disciples (144k) are the same in that what is said in verse 5, but look what it says in verse 4, they always FOLLOW THE CHRIST WHERE EVER HE GOES , this is the honor for them and being with him and see him as he is really ,
T,
those are the words of Jesus ,now tell me ;what authority did the disciples received or will ever receive ?
I think you do understand that Jesus told us not to lord it over one another but instead to serve one another and that they greatest are the ones is the one that serves most.
Luke 22:25-26New English Translation (NET Bible)
25 So Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’ 26 Not so with you; instead the one who is greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the one who serves.
We are told that different gifts are given to different members of the body and that not all members are the same member so it is clear that the members of the body do not bear the same gifts as Christ but rather they bear the gifts that God appointed for them to have.
1 Corinthians 12:27-31New English Translation (NET Bible)
27 Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you is a member of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, gifts of healing, helps, gifts of leadership, different kinds of tongues. 29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform miracles, do they? 30 Not all have gifts of healing, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they? Not all interpret, do they? 31 But you should be eager for the greater gifts.
And now I will show you a way that is beyond comparison.
We are called to obtain the full statue of Jesus’ spirit.
Ephesians 4:13New English Translation (NET Bible)
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God—a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature.
Kerwin…….If you can please please please get a copy of the book I have mentioned above it will Greatly enhance your understanding of the process of Christology, how over the years Christianity change its view. About Jesus to what it is today: he takes you through step by step sequences in time and uses scripture to support his every statement along the way, it’s very good Kerwin. Mr. Ehrman is a professor of theology at the University of North Carolina.I tell you for one it will back up a lot of the things that you and I both believe about how the original apostles and early teachings of the Church viewed Jesus. If you have any financial problems in getting the book please please email me and I will try to get you a copy.
Things we go around and around here are covered in detail in this book as well as the historical development and changes to how people perceived Jesus from his humble start as a preacher from Galilee to him becoming known as a God. I would encourage everyone on this form to get a copy of this book.
Peace and love to you and yours ……………..gene
Gene,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/how-jesus-became-god_b_5053136.html
That is what the author states about the story he is weaving and he obviously does not believe Jesus is the Christ. That is clear bias which means at the best you should find out what he does not say. I do not have to read the book to know of the evolution of the trinity Christology as the info is freely available on the internet. Even though it is trinitarians seek justification in writings that are hard to understand but were not meant to support the trinity Christology. Others do the same thing with their teachings.
Gene,
I am attempting to find out why Terraricca has concluded that the phrase “image of the invisible God” in Colossians 1:15 is speaking of Jesus’ body and not his spirit.
T seems to have trouble with understand what “image of God” means when speaking as of the spirit.
Kerwin…..Bart Ehrman does believe in Jesus, he just does not believe in modern “religious” conception of him, and shows plainly how the image of Jesus was transformed over the centuries and changed over the centries to a position of him being a God. He uses the actual texts, we now have to explain this change step by step. He is a critical text Scholar who has avaliable to him all the original text material and show clearly how textual changes were made over the years by translator who alter the original means of scripture to meet their own paticulair beliefs and how the text we now have have been greatly altered over time.I think its far better to listen to actual scholars who know Greek and Hebrew languages and for thrity years had access to the latest textual doctuments discovered, then these people here who have no access to any of them and just keep going around and around the same old circles going no where. I am sure you would enjoy the books Kerwin an also His New York times bestseller book , Misquoting Jesus.
PS……..As far as image goes you are descussing with Pierre, that just goes to prove my point, his concept of the word image is so completly destorted from the meaning of the word. Just ask him if where it say we are made in the image of God , does that mean we are GOD to. He thinks where it say Jesus was in the image of the living God does not relate to us also being made in the Image of God. He like the rest are so intent on making Jesus out to be something DIFFERENT then we are , he cant bear to see our relationship to Christ and our idenity with him. He has bought into the big “LIE” like so many here have hook line and sinker. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Gene,
Jesus was a lower-class preacher from Galilee, who, in good apocalyptic fashion, proclaimed that the end of history as he knew it was going to come to a crashing end, within his own generation.
I do not believe that Jesus is God but I do believe Jesus is the Christ and therefore was and is not mistaken in what he said. Bart D. Ehrman, PhD on the other hand seems to believe he was mistaken about when the end of history as Jesus knew it was going to occur.
It is not important an he is a secondary source of information from the relevant periods but as always we must test both his interpretation of that information and the doctrine of the information.
Gene
Terricca…………Did not Jessu say the student is not above his master, it is enough the the student be just LIKE his teacher. But you say we can not be LIKE Jesus. The word of Jesus says differently. You have moved Jesus away from yourself and made him differtent then you are. While he is now highely exaluted, he was not born that way, he came to be what he is now. We are also given that same opertunity to come to the measure and “FULL” stature of Christ.
You and all who teach a creed of SEPARATION, are playing right into the hand of Satan and don’t even know it.
What Kerwin is saying is right we are to image God Just as Jessu does. that is the desteny of all true christians is to be EXACTLY , like Jesus in every way. IMO
if you think you so right why do you not show scriptures that says that ,,i mean that we all going to be like the only begotten son of God ,;
and that we will be equal in rank with him ? right ?
and that he (the son) lost his rank of supremacy over all of creation ,and that we will be sharing his glory and he as to step down for that reason for he would no longer be in control of it but we will all together control all of creation ,right ?
so show scriptures ,not opinions men made dreams ,
T,
What Kerwin is saying is right we are to image God Just as Jessu does. that is the desteny of all true christians is to be EXACTLY , like Jesus in every way. IMO
I am not saying that. I am instead saying that we are to be like Jesus in true righteousness and holiness just as he is like God in true righteousness and holiness.
k
LET UNDERSTAND THAT WE CANNOT BE LIKE CHRIST UNLESS WE DIE IN HIM AND ARE RESURRECTED APPROVED BY HIS AND OUR FATHER ,
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS DEMANDED FROM CHRIST WAS NOT WHAT IS ASKED FROM US SINNERS WE HAVE ARE MEDIATOR ,CHRIST DID NOT HAD A MEDIATOR HE WAS AND STILL HIS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,THE SAME WITH HOLINESS ,WE CANNOT BE AS HOLY AS CHRIST ,BUT WE HAVE HIM AS MEDIATOR FOR HE AD NONE ;
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HOLINESS IS IN CHRIST IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS ? WE ARE BELIEVERS IN HIM AND WE SHOULD BE TRUE BELIEVERS ALL THROUGHOUT OUR SOUL ,HONESTLY AND SINCERELY,IN OUR HEART AS WELL
Terricca…………I have posted those scriptures over and over here but you fail to see it. Tell me what does this mean to you.”WE ARE “JOINT HEIRS WITH cHRIST” AND AGAIN “AND THE kINGDOM SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH”, and again, UNTILL WE ALL COME TO THE MEASURE AND “FULL” STATURE OF CHRIST. and again where it saysm “ALL” THINGS ARE UNDER THE FOOT OF MAN AND WHEN HE SAY “ALL THINGS” ARE UNDERS MANS FOOT THER IS “NOTHING” THAT IS NOT UNDER HIS (MANKINDS) FEET. Except God himself. IMO
JESSU IS THE FIRST FROM MANKIND TO HAVE RECIEVED THAT GLORY, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL, HE IS SIMPLY, “THE FIRST BORN OF MANY BRETHERN”
Again we go around and around in circles never getting no where, simply a waste of time you simply only believe and except what you want to Pierre, what other scriptures you simply reject. You were taught a longe time ago Jessu was not a human being, but a “morphed” God into a human body, and that is exactly what satan wants you top believe.You have SEPARATED JESUS from your own “IDENITY” with him, you have rejected him from being your Brother, and made him your God. Sad but true Pierre. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
gene
joint heirs ;mean that as Christ was resurrected WE ALSO WILL BE ;THAT IS WHERE ALL THINGS STOP ;BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROMISE ,
GOD GIVE US ,Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ;IT WILL NOT MATTER WHAT YOU ,ME ,ANYONE ELSE SAYS THIS WILL NOT CHANGE,
T,
LET UNDERSTAND THAT WE CANNOT BE LIKE CHRIST UNLESS WE DIE IN HIM AND ARE RESURRECTED APPROVED BY HIS AND OUR FATHER,
The only way to obtain the Spirit so a believer can live by it is if they are immersed in him and rise from that immersion a new self that is led by the Spirit and not by the carnal nature. That requires faith as without faith a person cannot expect anything from God.
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS DEMANDED FROM CHRIST WAS NOT WHAT IS ASKED FROM US SINNERS WE HAVE ARE MEDIATOR ,CHRIST DID NOT HAD A MEDIATOR HE WAS AND STILL HIS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,THE SAME WITH HOLINESS ,WE CANNOT BE AS HOLY AS CHRIST ,BUT WE HAVE HIM AS MEDIATOR FOR HE AD NONE ;
Incorrect as there is only one righteousness and holiness as any thing else fall short of God’s glory. Believers are instructed to put on the new self who has not fallen short of God’s glory and do away with the old self that they vowed to live as no longer. Christians are held to a higher standard than even those that were under the law of Moses as they have more, even the Spirit, that is given to that faith in Jesus Christ.
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HOLINESS IS IN CHRIST IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS ? WE ARE BELIEVERS IN HIM AND WE SHOULD BE TRUE BELIEVERS ALL THROUGHOUT OUR SOUL ,HONESTLY AND SINCERELY,IN OUR HEART AS WELL
Scripture states the goal is for our righteousness and holiness to like God’s even as Jesus was. If anyone says anything else then they are clearly not saying as Scripture states. Our goal is continually wear the new man and that can only be done through fully mature faith by those that continually persevere. We must have faith it can done in our bodies for it to be done as God does the work though we must strive to fit through that narrow gate. If we hold steady in our faith then we will overcome the world including the temptations of the world.
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