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[13] And he(Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(Revelation 19)
[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus(Revelation 14)
Hi Berean,
Jesus is called many names for good reason!
The Son of man,
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
The king of kings, and the lord of lords,
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood
The Lamb of God,
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
The Deliverer,
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The Last Adam,
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
The Apostle and High Priest,
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
The Son of God,
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. 70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them,Ye say that I am. 71 And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him,Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
The Word of God,
Berean we can identify 3 reasons how it is Jesus would be called the Word of God,
#1. Jesus a man of flesh, is God’s word spoken by the prophets made true.
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
#2. Jesus is God’s word for God gave him the Spirit not by measure, an anointing for him TO BE SENT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL (John 3 and Luke 4). This also made Jesus thus the prophet of prophecy of whom Moses spoke who God had promised that He would put His words into this prophet’s mouth (Acts 3, 7).
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
35 If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
#3 Jesus is the Word of God for he was called to execute God’s purpose, He fulfills the will of God that God had spoken would be done. God said he would preach, he would deliver captives, he will judge, he will destroy enemies.
Berean, Jesus is raised from the dead and he says to his disciples, “Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Jesus doesn’t teach that he is God, he doesn’t teach that he pre-existed, he doesn’t teach that he created heaven and earth by his command. He teaches that he is the man who was called to righteousness for to be a light by the God who alone created heaven and earth by reason of and for him. He teaches that he is the prophet among brethren who our One God the Father raised up, he teaches that he is the son of David of whom God made him into His own Son, he teaches that he is the offspring of Abraham whom all nations would be blessed through, he teaches that he is the son of Jesse of whom has God’s Spirit upon him where he will judge the world in righteousness, he teaches that he is the Son of man who received dominion overall the works of God’s hands, he teaches that he is returning and will deliver Israel, he teaches that he was made a firstborn Son of God made higher than all the kings of the earth. He teaches that he is God’s word made true in his flesh where he will sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh.
Hi Mike
WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GOING?
YOU: The visible world was created by non-visible
literal words that our God and Creator spoke.
That which appears (ALL VISIBLE AND PHYSICAL)
was made by that which doesn’t…(APPEAR) ie:
God’s literal spoken words.
ME: WHICH ONCE AS INVISIBLE SPIRITS (VIRUS) LEFT GOD’S MOUTH BECAME
VISIBLE PHYSICAL DEVILS ( HIDDEN IN ALL THE MILLIONS OF SICK AND DEAD HUMAN BEINGS AROUND THE WORLD)
THE VIRUS ARE GOD’S LITERAL INVISIBLE WORDS SPOKEN
ME: THUS
ALL VISIBLE AND PHYSICAL ARE MADE (FLESH IN JESUS INSTEAD OF VIRUS ) BY
GOD’S LITERAL SPOKEN WORDS! WHO IS JESUS!
ALL MADE IN HIM, ALL MADE BY HIM, ALL MADE FOR HIM
Colossians 1:15 For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers.
All things were created by him and in him.
NOW LET’S READ
MIKE’S GENUINE MADNESS WITH EVERY RESPECT YO YOU MIKE!
Jesus isn’t a literal spoken word by God.
He is called “The Word of God” because he is a physical living person who is God’s preeminent spokesman. So Jesus as “The Word of God” has nothing to do with Hebrews speaking about how God created by His spoken words. Your theory also falls short when it comes to Rev 19:13… unless you think the VISIBLE rider of the white horse (“The Word of God”) is a literal INVISIBLE word that God speaks.
Cheers.
3By faith we understand that
the world was framed by
the word of God: (INVISIBLE BUT SPOKEN AND HEARD AT LEAST BY GOD HIMSELF!)
that from invisible things (ALL BY THE WORD OF GOD SPOKEN AND HEARD)
visible things (ALL BY THE INVISIBLE WORD OF GOD SPOKEN AND HEARD)
might be made VISIBLE
ALL EMBODIED IN “THE WORD” ACTUAL OF GOD
MADE VISIBLE IN FLESH
JESUS THE SON OF MAN
Actually Mike, that is what I think.
Words are Spirit, and therefore “The Word” is God’s HolySpirit.
It lines up with all of Scripture that way.
But the sword OF the Spirit is the Word of God.
Actually Mike, that is what I think.
Words are Spirit, and therefore “The Word” is God’s HolySpirit.
It lines up with all of Scripture that way.
But the sword OF the Spirit is the Word of God.
Hi T8,
That lines up exactly with what I’m saying, not with what you are saying:
The sword of the spirit is coming out of the rider of the white horse’s mouth.
In other words “The Word” is coming out of the rider of the white horse’s mouth.Think about the implications of what you believe?
Would you say Jesus is coming out of Jesus mouth???
Does that make sense to you? You illustrate your error.____________
God bless
Ed JEDJ……The “word” is Spirit, all word “are” Spirit, they come forth from minds, our GOD ‘IS” SPIRIT, and his words ARE SPIRIT. If we are telling someone what someone else has say we are quoting His or Her SPIRIT.
Jesus said the words I am telling you “are spirit”, but remember he said those words were “not” his words. He also said in Revelations to the seven churches, “hear what the Spirit is saying”. He did not say, hear what I am saying, but what the Spirit is saying. Jesus has the “Seven Spirits of God” on him, that he received from the “Anointing Spirit” given him at the Jordan, so he speaks to us the words of God the Father, but having those spirits of or (from) God on him, does not make him those Spirits himself. Jesus never said he himself was GOD, OR THE SPIRIT OF GOD, OR THE WORD OF GOD EITHER. False teachers say that, not Jesus, nor does any true witnesses of his, say Jesus himself was or is, the word “himself” . The only reason scripture say , he is “called” the word of (from) God is because he tells us God the Fathers words, but none of that makes Jesus himself God’s word himself, but a spokesman of the words of God to us.
Believing Jesus “himself” is the word of God himself is one of the biggest “Lie” false christanity has ever created .
Edj, glad you can see that brother. Few can, I and Jodi do also, and I think Mike does too.
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
Mike: Jesus isn’t a literal spoken word by God. He is called “The Word of God” because he is a physical living person who is God’s preeminent spokesman. So Jesus as “The Word of God” has nothing to do with Hebrews speaking about how God created by His spoken words. Your theory also falls short when it comes to Rev 19:13… unless you think the VISIBLE rider of the white horse (“The Word of God”) is a literal INVISIBLE word that God speaks.
Ed: Actually Mike, that is what I think.
Words are Spirit, and therefore “The Word” is God’s HolySpirit.
It lines up with all of Scripture that way.
Does it, Ed?
John 1:14-15
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”
1. The Holy Spirit of God became flesh?
2. And as a flesh entity, the Holy Spirit displayed the glory of God’s only begotten Son?
3. John the Baptizer was testifying about the Holy Spirit of God when he pointed to the man Jesus, and said this is the person I spoke about earlier?
1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
4. John and the others saw God’s Holy Spirit with their flesh eyes, and touched it with their flesh hands?
Revelation 1911-16
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
5. The Holy Spirit of God rides a horse?
6. God’s Holy Spirit wears a robe?
7. God’s Holy Spirit will rule the nations with an iron scepter? *
8. The Holy Spirit of God is a “king” over someone – and a “lord” over someone? Who?
* “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” – From Psalm 2
2 The kings of the earth rise up and the rulers band together against the Lord and against his anointed…
6 “I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain.”
7 “You are my son; today I have become your father.”
8 “I will make the nations your inheritance…”
9 “You will rule them with an iron scepter…”
9. The Holy Spirit is God’s anointed one?
10. God has installed His Holy Spirit as king on Zion?
11. The Holy Spirit of God is God’s only begotten Son?
12. God has bequeathed the nations of the earth to His Holy Spirit?
Ed, is it possible that the phrase “the word of God” can sometimes refer to words that God actually spoke – and other times to a living person who is God’s preeminent spokesman?
The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
So the Holy Spirit fathered Jesus, thus he is his own Father. Whereas if the Holy Spirit is the Father’s own spirit, then it makes sense.
God speaks truth and Jesus is the truth. I’ve said it for years, if people understood the difference between an attribute and a person, then most debates here would be unnecessary.
The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
(1)So the Holy Spirit fathered Jesus, (2)thus he is his own Father. (3)Whereas if the Holy Spirit is the Father’s own spirit, (4)then it makes sense.
Hi T8,
1) Yes
2) No, God’s HolySpirit is the Father of Jesus, just as you previously stated
3) Yes
4) bingo you got it now (see Acts 5:3-4)____________
God bless
Ed JGod speaks truth and Jesus is the truth. I’ve said it for years, if people understood the difference between an attribute and a person, then most debates here would be unnecessary.
Hi T8,
Then you agree “The Word” is not Jesus.
Hebrews 11:3
Darby Bible Translation
By faith we apprehend that the worlds were framed by [the] word of God,
so that that which is seen should not take its origin from things which appear.Weymouth New Testament
Through faith we understand that the worlds came into being, and still exist, at the command of God,
so that what is seen does not owe its existence to that which is visible.Hi Mike,
Jesus appeared in physicality, therefore according to Hebrews 11:3 Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
Will you please comment on the highlighted part of this verse that proves Jesus cannot be “The Word”.Thanks!
I will go through your 12 questions post after you address this, OK?
____________
God bless
Ed JIf you are NOT going to respond to MY posts, neither will I respond to YOUR posts.
However if you address what I post, I will certainly address what you post as well.
DON”T make the mistake of thinking I cannot respond to your misconceptions!
_____________
God bless
Ed JEDJ……The “word” is Spirit, all word “are” Spirit, they come forth from minds,
our GOD ‘IS” SPIRIT, and his words ARE SPIRIT.Jesus said the words I am telling you “are spirit”, but remember he said those words were “not” his words.
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Believing Jesus “himself” is the word of God himself is one of the biggest “Lie” false christanity has ever created .
Edj, glad you can see that brother. Few can, I and Jodi do also, and I think Mike does too.
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
Hi Gene,
Jodi is way off in her ideas, so please don’t try to infer that she isn’t offtrack.
She thinks Jesus is ‘a god’ – and of course we both know that is totally absurd.____________
God bless
Ed JEdj…..Yes, God and his word are one and the same, just as our words and us are one and the same , Jesus plainly said this, “the words I am telling you are ‘NOT” my words, but the words of him that sent me. Had they “truly believed” Jesus, as they say they do, then they would have understood that. Jesus also said the Father told him not only what to say, but how to say it. But they do not believe that either.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Yes Gene
Ed: Hi Mike,
Jesus appeared in physicality, therefore according to Hebrews 11:3 Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
Will you please comment on the highlighted part of this verse that proves Jesus cannot be “The Word”.Thanks!
I already have… twice now. But here it is again: The phrase “the word of God” has multiple meanings. Sometimes it refers to actual words God speaks. Like when God spoke to the prophets of old, and although God spoke many words to them, they always described it as “the word (singular) of God came to me”. So the phrase “the word of God” can refer to a single word God spoke… or even to many hundreds of words God spoke. Those words are invisible things. This is the meaning in Hebrews 11:3. It is about God speaking the world into existence using actual invisible WORDS.
But the phrase “the word of God” also refers to a PERSON who is God’s greatest spokesman, Jesus. The phrase “the word of God” in Hebrews 11:3 does not refer to God’s spokesman Jesus, but to actual invisible words God spoke. John 1, on the other hand, uses the same phrase in reference – not to actual invisible words – but to God’s preeminent spokesman Jesus.
And here is the King of Abyssinia example again: The king’s spokesman had the title “the word of the king”. But at the same time, the king could send out a decree which would also be described as “the word of the king”. The former is a physical PERSON, while the latter refers to actual invisible words the king decreed. So on one hand, and Abyssinian citizen could say, “I’m tired of your loud parties keeping me up at night, so I’m going to seek an audience with THE WORD OF THE KING tomorrow and get this resolved.” In this case, the citizen is not talking about having a meeting with invisible words the king said. He is talking about having a meeting with the physical spokesman of the king.
On the other hand, the town criers could announce, “By THE WORD OF THE KING, construction on the new supermarket will commence tomorrow morning!” In this case, the criers would be talking about actual invisible words, by which the king decreed breaking ground on the new supermarket. Then, many years later, Abyssinian citizens could marvel at the beautiful supermarket and say, “This market was created by THE WORD OF THE KING, which means that this physical thing we can see came from invisible words we cannot see.” Of course they would be talking about the invisible words of the king’s decree which set the process of building the market into motion. In this case, they would NOT be talking about the PERSON who has as his title, “The Word of the King”.
Ed, please directly acknowledge for me that you understand that there can be more than one meaning for “THE WORD OF THE KING”, and that one of those meanings is invisible actual words, while the other is a PERSON with a title.
Because once you acknowledge that, you’ll have no reason for NOT realizing that there could also be more than one meaning for the phrase “The Word of God” – one of which is invisible actual words, and the other of which is PERSON with a title.
Ed: I will go through your 12 questions post after you address this, OK?
The 12 questions are rhetorical, as the answer is already obvious. I’d be happy with you just addressing the last green question at the end of that post – which is asked again in this post.
Ed: [Jodi] thinks Jesus is ‘a god’ – and of course we both know that is totally absurd.
Where did you get your erroneous idea that Jesus being a god is absurd? The same place you got the idea that the Holy Spirit of God became a flesh human being who later insisted he was NOT a spirit because spirits don’t have flesh and bone? 😉
EDJ
You
If you are NOT going to respond to MY posts, neither will I respond to YOUR posts.
However if you address what I post, I will certainly address what you post as well.
DON”T make the mistake of thinking I cannot respond to your misconceptions!
_____________
God bless
Ed JMe
Excuse me but I have not had much time in recent weeks and I am very tired in the evening.
Anyway, I haven’t changed my mind about Jesus
HE is THAT which the Bible (John) names “the Word of God”
and God does everything through Him.1. The Holy Spirit of God became flesh?
2. And as a flesh entity, the Holy Spirit displayed the glory of God’s only begotten Son?
3. John the Baptizer was testifying about the Holy Spirit of God when he pointed to the man Jesus, and said this is the person I spoke about earlier?
4a. John and the others saw God’s Holy Spirit with their flesh eyes, (4b)and touched it with their flesh hands?
5. The Holy Spirit of God rides a horse?
6. God’s Holy Spirit wears a robe?
7. God’s Holy Spirit will rule the nations with an iron scepter? *
8. The Holy Spirit of God is a “king” over someone – and a “lord” over someone? Who?
9. The Holy Spirit is God’s anointed one?
10. God has installed His Holy Spirit as king on Zion?
11. The Holy Spirit of God is God’s only begotten Son?
12. God has bequeathed the nations of the earth to His Holy Spirit?
Hi Mike,
1) Yes – in Jesus at the Jordan river (John 1:14)
2) Yes – in Jesus
3) No
4a) Yes – in Jesus (John 14:8-9)
4b) Yes – they handled by taking part in writing the bible (1 John 1:1) (remember: words are spirit John 6:63)
5) Yes – horses are symbolic
6) Not a robe a vesture – compare Rev 19:11-19 with Isaiah 63:2-6
“But they rebelled, and vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.” (Isaiah 63:10)
7) YES!
8) Yes – Everyone
9) No
10) Yes
11) No
12) huh ???____________
God bless
Ed JI’d be happy with you just addressing the last green question at the end of that post – which is asked again in this post.
Ed, (1)is it possible that the phrase “the word of God” can sometimes refer to words that God actually spoke – (2)and other times to a living person who is God’s preeminent spokesman?
Hi Mike,
1) That is the meaning
2) No, never____________
God bless
Ed J
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