Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

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  • #806630
    NickHassan
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    Hi Ed,

    You have seemingly joined the huge throng that believes in an anointed infant.

    You ignore the spiritual important event that occurred at the river Jordan.

    And you hope to follow him?    Sit with the confused Nicodemus.

    #806636
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Sorry Nick, but your interpretation of Scripture suggests that Psalms 49:7 is wrong, so I cannot accept it.

    “None of them(all ye inhabitants of the world) can by any means redeem his brother,
    nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)

    Hi ED,

    You really should not add your interpretations to what is written.

    Hi Nick,

    I’m not adding, but reporting based on the context – and the context for Psalm 49:7 starts in Psalm 49:1-2

    “Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world:
    Both low and high, rich and poor, together.” (Psalms 49:1-2)
    “None of them(all ye inhabitants of the world) can by any means redeem his brother,
    nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)

    Do you not believe that Christ is God’s only begotten son and able to redeem mankind Nick?

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

    #806637
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    “The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.” (Isaiah 49:1)

    “that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. And she shall bring forth a son, and
    thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.” (Matt 1:20-21)

    #806638
    Ed J
    Participant

    Denying the redemptive abilities of God is rich.

    Spouting things that are not true is not so rich

    #806639
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh,
    arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath
    suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;” (1 Peter 4:1)

    #806654
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Conception by the Holy Spirit and Mary does not anoint.

    Like Adam he was a natural son of God.

     

    It is his spiritual sonship that is relevant.

    That was at the Jordan.

    #806655
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Yes by his suffering he overcame sin in the flesh.

    He condemned sin in the flesh.

     

    We too must become overcomers.

     

    #806666
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jesus Christ rejoiced when he recognised the influence of the Spirit in the words of Peter.

    That was the rock he had been waiting to build on.

    #806689
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    We all suffer in the flesh even as Christ did,his constant religious arguing with others was redemptive and it is also the same for us as we argue here on the blessed Heaven Net. Blessed are they who seek and suffer on Heaven.net for theirs is the kingdom.

    #806700
    kerwin
    Participant

    T8,

    So Jesus existed in the image of God and then emptied himself and came in the flesh?

    Did he empty himself of being an image?

    Flesh is a form and Jesus existed in the form of God which is not flesh. What form is God? God is a spirit. Then Jesus emptied himself, and he came in the form of dust. God formed Adam from the dust and Jesus came in that form.

    The Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh.

    Do you believe that Jesus came in the flesh? Or do you instead believe that Jesus is actually the flesh, thus he didn’t come in the flesh, because he is the flesh.

    As a result of being in the form of God Jesus emptied himself of pride and so took the form of a servant.

    Flesh is a form but God has no body for anyone’s body to be formed in the shape of.

    I know each and every comes in the flesh as they are naked without it. The woman came in the blue dress.

    The words “in the flesh” mean physically present.

    #806702
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW ,

    Do you have any scriptural support for this claim about coming in the flesh?

    #806703
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,
    Are you asking me if I have Scriptural evidence the words “in the flesh” mean physically present.

    If so that is like asking me if I have Scriptural evidence for what the word head or any other word of Scripture means.

    The same is to say that the woman came in the red dress means the woman was wearing a red dress she came. The fact that human wears flesh is Scriptural so it is each one comes in the flesh.

    That two different meaning and I am not sure which one John met at both are true. No matter what John meant God might have meant both of them or any other interpretation of those words that is both true and spoken righteously.

    #806704
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    I agree.

     

    #807202
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You do hear he voice of the Spirit.

    But then you wrongly attribute them to the human vessel.

    When will you really listen to Jesus Christ?

    You lack understanding Nick.

    Jesus is another person to God. He spoke, he ate, he prayed, he worshipped. But all that HE did, he did in the name of his Father who is God. He spoke what the Father spoke. Jesus was not a glove of God that God put his hand into. Jesus is a real man with a real soul and spirit. He existed in the form of God, but emptied himself and came in the flesh. He is not the flesh itself. The antichrist spirit denies that HE CAME in the flesh.

    When he spoke, he spoke for God. He was not a loud speaker with legs Nick.

    Same for us. We are our own person and we like Jesus can align our lives with God. Some big difference though. He never sinned and he was the only begotten of the Father.

    Somehow you seem to allude to Jesus was being just a shell and God controlled him. Likewise with scripture Nick. They were not written using automatic writing, but were inspired by God, but penned by men. Jesus spoke Nick, just as men wrote under the influence of the Spirit of God.

    #807203
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It is in a man who found favour with God and was given unity with God in the Spirit.

    So it could have been you but he beat you to the job?

    Surely there is more to it than what you are saying in this post.

    Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself, and came in the flesh.

    Did you exist in the form of God?

    #807207
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Si you do not believe Jesus was aman anointed by God? Acts 10

    You seem very comfortable in your unspiritual beliefs so why should we disturb you?

    #807208
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus aligned his life with God and we can do the same?

     

    God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.

    God can be at work in you to will and to do.

     

    Yes I lack understanding and I admit it.

    You however boast of your understanding?

    #807508
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You do not seem to get past the humanity of Jesus.

    You do not seem to acknowledge that God spoke through him.

     

    Why?

    #807509
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…..You have bought into Satans “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” rather you understand it or not, you have brotger because you simply can’t see JESUS as and ordinary human being, exactly like we are he was no different then us except God Fathered him, through a human, Mary. THEREFORE HE IS THE “ONLY ” HUMAN “BEGOTTEN” (the berth process of all humans) by GOD HIMSELF, JESUS WAS BORN A HUMAN, DIED A HUMAN, WAS RAISED A HUMAN, WENT TO HEAVEN A HUMAN, WILL RETURN AS A HUMAN. HE IS A SON OF MAN JUST AS HE SAID 80 TIME HE WAS. Jesus said “when the So of Man returns” , will he find faith on the earth.

    Satan apsolutely does not want you or anyone else to relate with JESUS AS PURELY A HUMAN BEING . HE WANTS ALL HUMANS TO THINK JESUS IS A GOD AND WORSHIP HIM AS SUCH, AND BELIEVE HE PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH, why can’t you see that?

    peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #807606
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You can deny Jesus’s origins all you like guys, but it doesn’t wash with me. He existed in the form of God then came in the flesh as one of us so we can be one of him.

    Gene, you are always going on about that he is no different to us and is one of us and anything else is divisive. But the truth of the matter is he came in flesh and one day we will be like he is now with a body like his. He calls us brother, not because he is an ordinary man, but because he came in the flesh and we will be like him in the resurrection. He is in the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos began. I know you do not believe this, but I believe this scripture.

    God sent the greatest besides himself to die for our sins. He paid the highest price. The price you suggest Gene seems quite ordinary.

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