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Hi Mike,
I hope you’ve had a good week!
ME:
This is what I was first addressing in my next post leading up to Proverbs 8.
1 Chronicles 17, “I will be his father, and he shall be my son…”
Psalms 89, “I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.”
YOU: These words were originally said about Solomon, right?
ME: No, 1 Chronicles and Psalms 89 are clearly speaking of Jesus,
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Read more of Psalms 89 as well,
1 I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever: with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations. 2 For I have said, Mercy shall be built up for ever: thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens. 3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints…24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Mike…….did you read what Jodi just wrote? While your at it please notice that all of those words are speaking in a “future tense” , in case your not following, that means it had not happened yet!, now if Jesus was already alive and existing as you falsely suppose, and Jesus was already the Son of God, “why would God have said ……”i “WILL” , be his Father, And he “SHALL” , be my son.” IF HE WAS ALREAD HIS “PREXISTING” , SON?
MIKE seems your still, unable to distinguish , past tense from, present tense and from, future tense. Let me help you ok, the present tense means, the way it now exists, the past tense means, it existed in the past, the future tense, means it was going to take place in the future. So if scripture says something using the “future tense” then that means in the future, and it hasen’t taken place yet, right? So with that understand, Jesus, “could not have already been the son of God at the time of that statement. Jesus could not have “prexisted” as a “Son of God” then, now could he? Common sense 101.
So you see nothing has changed , your still as ignorant of the truth in scriptures as you were “12 years ago”. Now go back and reread what Jodi has written, this time with the proper tense in mind, and you “might”, get it.
Peace and love to you and yours Mike………..gene
Gene and Jodi
Many have given you enough proof of the pre-existence of Christ, BUT YOU CONTINUE TO DENY THE TRUTH…. HOW SAD.
Berean……Fact is it is you who “continually”,deny the “truth” of scriptures. Which both Jodi and i have posted over and over here for years. “now that is what is “SAD” if you ask me.
Jodi has more truth in her little finger then 90% of those pisting here have. You need to really try to understand what she is saying , check out those scriptures, instead of holding on to what fallen Christanity and your Church has told you, and start thinking for yourself with the Spirit of God, for a change. Scripture say (not me), “brethern you have no need of a teacher , the Spirit itself will teach you all things” and again…..“we are of God : he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears not us, hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. ”
Just that simple Berean, if you were truly of God, you would hear Jodie and i both.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean………..gene
Gene and Jodi
Truths mixed with lies = lies
This is what you and Jodi are doing about WHO JESUS CHRIST REALLY IS.
YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY FALSE TEACHING AND YOU DECEIVE YOUR SURROUNDINGS WITH THE LIES OF THE ENEMY.Berean……..DO, you know what a false accuser even is?, you say we lir but you produce not a single scripture that proves, making a statement like that only shows how really confused and ignorant you really are. PROOF BEREAN, NOT YOUR “ACCUSING” MOUTH, LIKE YOUR TRUE LEADER THE DEVIL IS.
What we have told you is the truth Berean, The “half lies”, you accuse us of , is really the “truth” you have chosen not to believe in, and that iscwhat seperates you from the truth were telling you Berean. repent Berean.
Peace and love to you and yours………..gene
Hi Jodi,
You: I said, ” Jesus was to be glorified with his flesh not seeing decay,(a)
with him being resurrected receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit (b) and
entering the kingdom of God being exalted as the PROMISED Son of Man that would go and sit at God’s right hand.”(c)
Me: Jodi, correct me, please!
According to your statement above, Jesus’ glorification is asserted and achieved by three processes!
These three processes occurred after Jesus’ death.
Now, Hereunder are a few scriptures that directly in one way or another, speak about Jesus’ glorification, IN SOME EVEN BEFORE HE DIED!
I EXPECT YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE!
Let’s read:
John13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man GLORIFIED, and God is GLORIFIED in him.
32If God be GLORIFIED in him, God also will GLORIFY him in himself;
and immediately will he GLORIFY him.
I would appreciate it if you were to give your perception regarding the GLORY which Jesus referred to immediately after Judas left to betray Him.
A GLORY NOT JUST FOR JESUS BUT ALSO FOR GOD IN ONE SAME INSTANT!
John 17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:
Father, THE HOUR is come, GLORIFY thy Son,
that thy Son may GLORIFY thee.
Again in the above, a few hours before Jesus died, Jesus referred precisely to the HOUR of His death, by which He confirmed that both the Father and Jesus would eventually
GLORIFY EACH OTHER IN ONE INSTANT!
Luke 9:29 And whilst he prayed, the shape of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became white and glittering. 30And behold two men were talking with him. And they were Moses and Elias, 31Appearing in majesty. And they spoke of his decease that he should accomplish in Jerusalem. 32But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep.
And waking, they saw HIS GLORY, and the two men that stood with him.
In the above the apostles saw Jesus unique GLORY again before His vital and crucial death.
1Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom AMONG the PERFECT: yet not the wisdom of this world, neither of the princes of this world that come to naught; 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, a wisdom which is HIDDEN, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew; for if they had known it,
they would never have CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY.
In the above, according to Paul Jesus’ enemies never knew who Jesus actually was,
if they knew, they would have never CRUCIFIED JESUS PRECISELY
THE LORD OF GLORY EVEN BEFORE HE DIED!
Romans 1: 21Because that, when they knew God, they GLORIFIED him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the GLORY of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Jodi, I simply ask,
WHAT ARE THE GLORIES MENTIONED IN THESE SCRIPTURES ABOVE?
ARE THEY SOMEHOW REFERRING TO OR RELATED TO THE SAME GLORY YOU PRODUCED IN YOUR STATEMENT?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
ME: I repeat Jodi,
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put my Spirit upon him:
he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
What is the tense “I HAVE PUT” MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, TELLS YOU?
I HAVE PUT, IS A PRESENT PERFECT TENSE NO?
The present perfect tense is an English verb tense used for past actions that are related to or continue into the present.
ISN’T IT AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL THAT BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
JESUS DID RECEIVE THE SPIRIT UPON HIM?
You: Isaiah 42 is a PROPHECY
ME: SO WHAT?
IT IS WRITTEN IN THAT PARTICULAR TENSE SO THE READER WILL BE AWARE THAT THE PROPHET IS PROCLAIMING A PARTICULAR PROPHECY, ATTENTION PLEASE:
WHICH INITIATED WELL IN THE PAST AND CONTINUES UNTO THE FUTURE.
Now let’s read this prophecy again:
1 Behold my servant, (SIMPLE PRESENT TENSE)
whom I uphold; (SIMPLE PRESENT TENSE)
mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth (SIMPLE PRESENT TENSE)
I have given my spirit upon him, (PRESENT PERFECT TENSE)
he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (FUTURE TENSE)
A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION Jodi, please.
WHY IN THE ABOVE VERSE, Isaiah used different TENSES?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
You: Carmel, here are just a few of your hundreds of misquoted scriptures, that you have added text to.
John 8:23 And he said to them:
You are from BENEATH, (FROM FIRE AFTER THEY REBELLED) I am from ABOVE.
You are of this world, (SATANIC) I am not of this world.
24Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. ( PLURAL, HUMAN SINS)
For if you believe not that I AM HE, (ISAIAH 48:16)
you shall die in your sin. (NOTICE SIN IS SINGULAR, THE SIN OF THE REBEL IN HEAVEN)
ME: Gene, read again WHAT I SAID IN my post please:
Me: Gene, JUST PRODUCE THE SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE FROM MY POST, WHICH ACCORDING TO YOU I CHANGED ITS WORDING
AND CONTRADICT ME USING YOUR SCRIPTURE PLEASE!
WHERE DID YOU CONTRADICT ME BY USING THE APPROPRIATE SCRIPTURES?
You:
You: Just quote the scriptures as written, not the way your carnel mind see’s them. You take our scriptures into areas they are not even suggesting, much less saying.
ME: THAT’S PRECISELY WHAT I DID, ALL IN RED,
NOW IT’S YOUR TASK TO PROVE OTHERWISE! NO?
Me: DID YOU PROVE OTHERWISE Gene?
YOU: Why not just write your own bible Carmel, and stop forcing our texts into saying what they are not saying?
ME: AGAIN WHY DON’T YOU DO YOUR PART AND TELL US WHAT THEY ARE SAYING?
TILL THEN MINE STANDS!
Gene, YOUR POST IS VOID AND USELESS; do your part properly please and SUPPORT AND BACK UP YOUR REASONING AND
CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURE AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
AGAIN: TILL THEN
MINE STANDS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
You: Christ and Messiah both mean refer to someone who was anointed
by God
Me: WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE READ THAT GOD HIMSELF DIRECTLY ANOINTED SOMEONE!
for a specific task/purpose.
EXCEPT JESUS AT THE RIVER JORDAN!
FOR A UNIQUE TASK BY WHICH JESUS REDEEMED ALL THOSE ANOINTED BEFORE HIM!
The Bible includes many different christs/messiahs –
Jesus being one of them.
ME: THAT’S WHERE YOU ARE WRONG Mike!
JESUS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE MESSIAHS BEFORE HIM!
ISAIAH 42:1BEHOLD my servant, I will uphold him: my elect, my soul delighteth in him:
I have given my spirit upon him, he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
JESUS IS GOD’S SERVANT: UNIQUE!
JESUS IS GOD’S ELECT: UNIQUE!
JESUS IS GOD’S DELIGHT: UNIQUE!
JESUS IS THE CARRIER OF GOD’S SOUL: UNIQUE!
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men,
the man Christ Jesus:
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not of one:
but God is one.
Mike, GOD IS ONE!
A MEDIATOR BETWEEN HUMANS COULD ONLY BE A HUMAN, BUT
THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN HUMANS AND GOD, FROM GOD’S SIDE, IS
GOD HIMSELF IN
JESUS CHRIST! ATTENTION PLEASE OBVIOUS BOTH
GOD and MAN
IN SHORT:
JESUS IS UNIQUE!
ETERNALLY DIVINE ONE SUBSTANCE AND DISTINCT WITH GOD! HEBREWS 1:3
ANSWER NOW Mike, PLEASE:
CAN YOU APPLY ALL THE ABOVE TO ANY OF THE OTHER MESSIAHS?
YES OR NO?
So the title “Christ/Messiah of God” simply means that
Jesus is one of those who were anointed by God.
AGAIN Mike:
A BIG
“NO”
JESUS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE ANOINTED “BY GOD”, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT
JESUS MADE THOSE ANOINTED:
John 1:3 All things were made by him:
and without him was made nothing that was made.
You: My question is how a person, say Saul, who was anointed BY God could then BE the very God who anointed him.
So tell me what this means
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN
GOD’S THINGS! Mike?
WHAT APPLIES TO GOD, IN OUR CASE JESUS CANNOT BE APPLIED TO HUMANS.
WITH ALL THOSE ANOINTED MORTALS IT’S NOT POSSIBLE,
BUT WITH GOD, IN OUR CASE JESUS, WHO OPTED TO DIE, ALL IS POSSIBLE!
John10:17 Therefore doth the Father love me:
because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18No man taketh it away from me:
but I lay it down of myself,
and I have the power to lay it down: and I have the power to take it up again.
This commandment have I received of my Father.
ALL THOSE ANOINTED ARE SIMPLY
HUMANS OF SATANIC EARTH!
JESUS IS THE HUMAN OF HEAVEN!
John8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath,
I am from above.
You are of this world,
I am not of this world.
You: 1 Samuel 24:6… and David saith to his men, ‘Far be it from me, by Jehovah; I do not do this thing to my lord — to the messiah of Jehovah — to put forth my hand against him, for the messiah of Jehovah he is.’
What does that phrase, “the messiah OF Jehovah” mean, Carmel?
ME: GO BACK AND READ AGAIN THE ABOVE PLEASE!
You: Does it mean “Jehovah Himself”? Does it mean “GODMAN!” ?
Please explain what that phrase literally means in the scripture above. Thanks.
The above doesn’t make sense at all!
The above scripture is talking about TWO HUMAN BEINGS OF EARTH!
JESUS IS NOT OF EARTH!
JESUS CAME FORTH AND PROCEEDED FROM GOD ON THIS PLANET ANOINTED BEFORE THE WORLD WAS! John 17:5
The Bible shows us several different types of anointing.
BUT ALL ARE HUMANS BY HUMANS AND ON THIS EARTH!
JESUS WAS ANOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF
GOD BY GOD ON THIS EARTH!
WHAT AN ANOINTING!
WOULD YOU Mike, COMPARE IN ANY WAY,
THE ANOINTING OF JESUS DIRECTLY BY GOD,
WITH ALL THOSE ANOINTED ON EARTH!
YES OR NO, please.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
So many questions from you to answer…I have time for this one:
Kathi, how do you explain these clear contradictions between your doctrine and the Bible? How do you explain the fact that John 1:18 clearly and undeniably distinguishes the Son as someone OTHER THAN God, whom he made known to us?
If there are two members within a unity and both are in the form of God yet act as one God, one of them can be unseen and the other can be seen.
Blessings, LU
Hi Mike,
All of God’s spirit sons are made in His image, hence, “Let US make man in OUR image”.
The Bible does not say that all of God’s spirit sons are made in His image. Man is made in His image. It does not say that heavenly beings were made in God’s image. The word “our” in the verse you quoted does not tell us how many are part of the “us.” We do know that all things were made through Jesus so He would logically be part of the “us.” There is no verse that specifically tells us that all things were made through Jesus “and others.”
LU
Mike regarding this post:
LU: John 14: 7-11
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
Since Jesus is the image of the Father and portrayed the character of the Father, spoke the Father’s words and did the Father’s actions, Philip has essentially seen the Father through all of that.
Mike says:
You have accurately explained the passage. Jesus also says, “When you see me, you see the One who sent me.” Of course Jesus ISN’T actually the Father, right? And so this passage doesn’t even come close to hinting at a “Yahweh Unity God” made up of one invisible person and one visible person, does it?Does there exist any NT scripture that actually DOES support the notion that the Jews of Jesus’ time on earth were aware of a “Yahweh Unity God”, and knew that one of the Yahwehs could be seen by men, while the other could not?
The word Yahweh is not in the NT. The idea is certainly there. John 1:18, John 14:7-11, John 10:24-33.
John 10:24So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”
You are aware that the Jews knew that the Christ would be called “Yahweh our Righteousness” and so the Christ is the second Yahweh. Certainly they didn’t think that the Father, Yahweh, was also the Christ.
All for now. I have no idea when I can be back for more.
Take care, LU
Hi Carmel,
No you are not correct.
Let me clarify for you, there is numerous ways that we see glory in Jesus.
As the anointed of the Spirit made into our Messiah.
As the only mortal man who was begotten of the Spirit of God without measure.
As our savior through the Spirit of God that was upon him.
As the firstborn of the dead who received the promised Spirit and eternal life.
As the firstborn over every creature upon the new earth.
As the promised Son of Man exalted to God’s right hand.
As the promised Son of Man who returns in our Father’s glory.
As the promised son of Jesse who through God’s Spirit brings forth rest upon the earth.
As a king of kings and a lord of lords when he sits on his father David’s throne.
When Jesus knew his time was at hand to be crucified he was asking for the WORD of God that had been with God before the world was, his resurrection unto Eternal Life, him receiving the promised Holy Spirit where he becomes a firstborn overall of God’s new heaven and new earth. He was asking for his glory to become the Son of Man exalted to God’s right hand.
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.
Hi Carmel,
No you are not correct.
Let me clarify for you, there is numerous ways that we see glory in Jesus.
Hi Jodi,
I agree!
There are many more WAYS
that we can see Jesus’ glories, in fact, BOTH IN HIS BIRTH JESUS WAS GLORIFIED,
THE UNIQUE HUMAN BEING BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND ON HIS DEATH THE MOST VITAL OF ALL HIS GLORIES,
BY WHICH GLORY HE IS CALLED PRECISELY
THE LORD OF GLORY!
LET ME CLARIFY FOR YOU:
ON HIS BIRTH, WITHOUT THE NEED OF THE MAN’S SPERM AND THE WOMAN’S OVUM, AND ON HIS DEATH, ATTENTION PLEASE
JESUS, ETERNAL LIFE ITSELF LIVED 1 John 1:1 WENT TO HELL AND PREACHED HIS GOSPEL
1Peter 3:18Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh,
but enlivened in the spirit,
19In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:
OK Jodi, JESUS, ON HIS DEATH, ENLIVENED IN THE SPIRIT; GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH John 13:31,32 IN
JESUS CHRIST! Here it comes the truth:
GODMAN!
THE ONLY HUMAN-DIVINE BEING IN THE MIDST OF FIRE! John5:25
ATTENTION PLEASE NOW:
AS FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD, IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE TO ALL OF HIS WORK.
THE FACT THAT JESUS CAME ON EARTH AND SPIRITUALIZED HIS FLESH BODY, TO BE EMPHATICALLY CLEAR:
THE ENTIRE NEW CREATION ALL IN HIM,
BEFORE HIS PASSION! Well asserted in
Luke 13:32 And he said to them: Go and tell that fox,
Behold, I cast out devils, and do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I am consummated.
33Nevertheless I must walk to day and to morrow, and the day following, because it cannot be that a prophet perish, out of Jerusalem.
THE ABOVE Jodi THOUGH AS NOT WE CAN SEE, IS ANOTHER OF JESUS’ GLORY WHICH YOU NOT ONLY NEVER MENTIONS, BUT NEVER EVEN SMELL BY THE LOOK OF IT, WITH EVERY RESPECT!
SAY SOMETHING PLEASE ABOUT THE ABOVE, BY WHICH YOU PROVE
THAT I AM NOT SAYING THE TRUTH!
NOW IN MY POST I SAID:
Now, Hereunder are a few scriptures that “DIRECTLY” in one way or another, speak about Jesus’ glorification, IN SOME EVEN BEFORE HE DIED!
I EXPECT YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE!
Jodi, WHERE ARE YOUR COMMENTS IN RELATION TO THE GLORIES I MENTIONED IN MY POST PLEASE? TO BE CLEAR;
THE GLORIES SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE,
NOT THE WAYS WE SEE JESUS’GLORIES! FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT WE WOULD NEVER BE PARALLEL AS
YOU CAN ONLY SEE THROUGH YOUR CARNAL-MINDED REASONING, AND COMPLETELY IGNORE GOD’S REASONING, WITH EVERY RESPECT!
You: When Jesus knew his time was at hand to be crucified he was asking for the WORD of God that had been with God before the world was, his resurrection unto Eternal Life, him receiving the promised Holy Spirit where he becomes a firstborn overall of God’s new heaven and new earth. He was asking for his glory to become the Son of Man exalted to God’s right hand.
All the above in the next post!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Mike: Kathi, how do you explain these clear contradictions between your doctrine and the Bible? How do you explain the fact that John 1:18 clearly and undeniably distinguishes the Son as someone OTHER THAN God, whom he made known to us?
LU: If there are two members within a unity and both are in the form of God yet act as one God, one of them can be unseen and the other can be seen.
That is nonsensical word salad, Kathi. In your doctrine, both of them together ARE “God”. “God” isn’t JUST the Father, or JUST the Son… but BOTH of them together, right? So what is this “both are IN THE FORM OF God, yet ACT AS one God” language you’re using?
John called someone “God” in 1:18. It’s clear he was talking about the Father, right? But according to your doctrine, the Father alone is NOT “God”. In your doctrine, “God” is defined as a unity of TWO persons… always.
If the Father ALONE can be “God” for John, then there’s no reason that the Father ALONE can’t ALWAYS be “God” for everyone.
And what makes it worse for you is that John not only called the Father ALONE “God”, but then clearly identified Jesus as someone OTHER THAN “God”.
Please address that bolded part. Thanks.
LU: The Bible does not say that all of God’s spirit sons are made in His image. Man is made in His image.
And what does it mean that we are made in His image? Are we all two persons in one unity, but for some odd reason addressed with SINGULAR pronouns?
Does being the image OF God ever mean that we ARE God? Of course not.
Now go apply that to Jesus, who is also the image OF God.
LU: The word Yahweh is not in the NT. The idea is certainly there.
No it’s not. There is nothing even close to your doctrine taught anywhere in the NT… or in the OT..
LU: …the Christ is the second Yahweh. Certainly they didn’t think that the Father, Yahweh, was also the Christ.
Of course they didn’t think the Father, ie: “God”, was the Christ OF God. What does the phrase “Christ OF God” mean, Kathi?
LU: Jesus confirmed that He is properly called “God.” If the created beings were called god, how much more the uncreated and only begotten Son of God would be called “God,” even “YHVH God.”
Mike: We’re getting there. First, who exactly were these “created beings” that were called gods (not “god”) by Yahweh in Psalm 82? (It’s important to know who/what they were to see if your explanation works. Thanks.)
Kathi, are the “created beings” who are called gods in Psalm 82 human sons of God or spirit sons of God?
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