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CARMEL, BEREAN, LU, …..Jesus “actually” meant what he clearly said, as i have said before , the question is do you “truly” believe him. The answer is you truly don’t, because you doubt Jesus said and meant what he said, “why call me good there is “NON” GOOD, save “ONE”, that is GOD. ”
A very simple scripture and not one of you actually believes what Jesus said, now I find that amazing. But if you extrapilate it further , it comes to this , the Jesus you believe in is not the Jesus of scripture, but a Jesus created by false teachings, you have bought into a long time ago. That Jesus is the one mentioned in, 2Ths2. A “image” of the man Jesus turned into a God, and worshipped by you as your God, which breakes the first commandment of God, and turns that false “image” of Jesus into, a “man of sin”, who is sitting in the present temple of God and being desplayed as a God. Repent or you will suffer the same conquences they all will.
Peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Hi Gene,
Was God first in the rich young ruler’s life? How can you tell?
Also, don’t forget to tell us who is on the Father’s throne with the Father. Thanks!
LU……No he wasen’t, or he would have sold all he had and gave it to the poor, and followed Jesus, and the apostles. HE WAS GIVEN THE OPERTUNITY, But as Jesus said , it is easer for a rope to go through the eye of a needle then for a rich man to go into the kingdom of God.
But then again, Jesus said, (not me)…..“all things “ARE” possible with God.” Jesus, did not say , all things are possible with him, now did he?
The one and only human being who is now siting in the temple of God, at his right hand, is the resurected “man” Jesus Christ , who you desplay and worship as your God. 2ths2. Which turns the “image” of him into a “man of sin”. By breaking the “first commandment of God”. “You shall have no other God, besides me, you shall make no “image” of me in heaven above or earth below or under the earth.”
Question is LU do you “truly” believe what Jesus and God the father really say? Or does your “religion”, deny their words?
Peace and love to you and yours LU………gene
Hi Gene,
You: CARMEL, BEREAN, LU, …..Jesus “actually” meant what he clearly said, as i have said before , the question is do you “truly” believe him.
The answer is you truly don’t,
Me: Gene, JUST READ AGAIN WHAT I POSTED PLEASE!
You: Why would Jesus say to her, “why” callest “ME” good”,
if he wasen’t talking about himself?
ME: THAT’S RIGHT Gene:
JESUS DEFINITELY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, BUT NOT JUST FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, OR MORE ACCURATELY,
FROM YOUR CORRUPTED PERSPECTIVE.
DID YOU READ THE ABOVE Gene?
WHY DON’T YOU SPECIFICALLY CONTRADICT ME, AS I DID, AND USED SCRIPTURES TO MAKE IT EMPHATICALLY CLEAR TO YOU,
WHAT DID JESUS REALLY MEAN WHEN HE SAID SO?
NOW READ WHAT I ASKED YOU AGAIN:
ANSWER, Gene SINCE YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A GENIOUS???
WHY DID JESUS SAY SO?
THE FATHER IS DEFINITELY ONLY GOOD! NO?
BUT JESUS WAS BOTH GOOD AND EVIL FOR THE SAKE OF THE HUMAN RACE, FOR THE SAKE OF
GOD’S KINGDOM AS CHILDREN OF GOD IN CHRIST,
Gene, IN THE ABOVE I MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU WHY JESUS SAID SO AND WHAT HE MEANT, PLUS THAT I PRODUCED THE RELATIVE SCRIPTURES!
HERE THEY ARE AGAIN FOR YOU TO READ!
BUT FOR GOD’S SAKE PRODUCE SCRIPTURES AND CONTRADICT ME SPECIFICALLY THIS TIME, AND NO MORE NONSENSICAL PREACHING!
2Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us,
who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
JESUS IN THE ABOVE MADE US RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, WHILE GOD MADE
JESUS TO BE SIN FOR US!
BUT NOT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOOD!
IN FACT, JESUS WAS TOO GOOD,
AS THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO FULFILL JUSTIFICATION BY HIMSELF, THROUGH DEATH!
More scripture:
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,
being made a curse for us:…..
OK Gene?
JESUS IS GOOD AS MUCH AS THE FATHER IS,
JESUS IS THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE Hebrews 1:3, NOT ONLY THAT BUT
ONLY HE AS THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES, HEBREWS 4:12
MADE HIMSELF A CURSE FOR US!
More scripture:
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God,
thought it NOT ROBBERY to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation,
DID YOU GET THAT Gene?
JESUS MADE HIMSELF of no reputation!
HE MADE HIMSELF NO GOOD!
FOR OUR SAKE! READ:
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
JESUS WAS TOO GOOD, TOO GENEROUS!
NOW ALL THE ABOVE Mr. Gene, OCCURRED BEFORE THE WORLD WAS?
CONFIRMED HEREUNDER!
READ:
John 17: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which
I had with thee before the world was.
JESUS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
WAS IN ONE GLORY WITH GOD THE FATHER,
WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD, AND
IN THE ONLY IMAGE OF GOD! MORE PRECISE
THE ONLY PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF GOD! Then what?
Read Gene AGAIN the next part of Philippians 2:7
and took upon him THE FORM of a servant, and was MADE in the likeness of men:
THAT MEANS Gene, THAT JESUS ON HIS BIRTH WAS
BOTH GOD AND A SERVANT,
BOTH THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN,
BOTH ALL THE GOOD, THE HEAVENLY, AND ALL THE EVIL, THE EARTHLY!
THE ENTIRE CREATION, ALL IN HIM,
TO RECONCILE ALL TO THE FATHER IN HIS EMBODIMENT! Well asserted in
1Colossians 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say,whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The above Gene, was the cake, now here is the icing:
John17:10 And all mine are thine, and
thine are mine;
OK Gene ALL THE FATHER’S THINGS BELONG TO JESUS Mr. GENIOUS!
SO JESUS IS ALSO GOOD AS THE FATHER IS!
ASSERTED HEREUNDER! AND DOWN TO YOUR GUTS!
and I AM glorified in them.
BOTH THE GOOD AND THE EVIL!
I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!
SO YES Gene, JESUS SURLY SPOKE ABOUT HIMSELF AND I PRODUCED THE RELATIVE SCRIPTURES AS PROOF TO WHAT HE REALLY MEANT.
Gene, the question is do you “truly” believe him.
The answer is you truly don’t,
UNLESS YOU PRODUCE GENUINE SCRIPTURES AND PROVE OTHERWISE!
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST
Hi LU,
It’s been awhile, hope you are doing well.
He who is on the throne, is the son of David a HUMAN, just as THE WORD of YHVH had promised. A HUMAN sits at YHVH’s right hand, that’s what scripture directly tells us.
Psalms 110:1 YHVH said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
You say that in scripture sometimes YHVH represents the Father, sometimes represents the Son and sometimes represents both.
YHVH the Father actually needed to tell YHVH the Son that he would sit at his right hand? I don’t buy it, why would he need to tell him that? On the other hand, if YHVH is asking a human to sit at His right hand that is pretty significant and I could definitely see why such would be important to include in His word.
YHVH is the fruit of David’s loins?
Hi LU,
I think this is relevant.
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and JOINT-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
As you believe Christ is YHVH I’d like you to explain what the above means then exactly.
Also same question for the verse that follows in the same chapter in Roman 8,
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Hi Gene,
You: LU……Jesus “LACKED” nothing, he was just being honest,
“there is “none” good but “ONE”, God the Father “alone.”
ME: SO ACCORDING TO YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOOD?
YES OR NO PLEASE?
You: Why would Jesus say to her, “why” callest “ME” good”,
if he wasen’t talking about himself?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….Jesus said, (not me)…..“God is a spirit”, and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and truth”. question is do you “truly”believe Jesus?
Did Jesus ever say he was a Spirit, no in fact, he said he was, “not a Spirit”, do you need me to quote that also for you Carmel? , because I can quote it for you, but as i have said , would you “truly” believe him? You see thats the real question .
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel…………gene
Hi Gene,
Did Jesus ever say he was a Spirit, no in fact, he said he was, “not a Spirit”, do you need me to quote that also for you Carmel? , because I can quote it for you,
Me: Yes please DO SO!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
YHVH is not a unity.
LU, their is ONE God THE FATHER, one God and Father to us all, INCLUDING the firstborn of the dead, our brother Yeshua. Our Father APPOINTED our brother to be a king of kings and a lord of lords over us.
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
Acts 7:48-50 (Stephen): “The Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says, ‘Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool…Was it not My hand that made all these things?’”
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 45:5 I am YHVH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHVH, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I YHVH have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker!
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God YHVH, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:6 I YHVH have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear…
…36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John 20:17 … I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Mark 10:6 (Jesus): “At the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.”
Matt. 19:4 (Jesus): “Have you not read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female?”
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;…
…31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Isaiah’s passages above combined with so many other scriptures make it impossible, completely absurd to assert that YHVH exists as two persons a father and a son.
Hi Jodi,
Yes it’s been awhile. I’m doing great and presently juggling a lot of balls in the air, ha., thanks for asking. How have you been? I have a small window of time so I won’t be addressing everything you have asked here but hopefully things will slow down a bit in a couple of weeks and then I can address more things. I’m having a house built and making many design decisions and purchases, starting a second career, preparing for friends to stay in my home next week, helping with an infant grandchild and granddog that currently lives with me, and being a wife and mom, etc. I’m sure you are busy too. Thanks for your time to post questions to me.
Regarding this post from you:
It’s been awhile, hope you are doing well.
He who is on the throne, is the son of David a HUMAN, just as THE WORD of YHVH had promised. A HUMAN sits at YHVH’s right hand, that’s what scripture directly tells us.
Psalms 110:1 YHVH said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
You say that in scripture sometimes YHVH represents the Father, sometimes represents the Son and sometimes represents both.
YHVH the Father actually needed to tell YHVH the Son that he would sit at his right hand? I don’t buy it, why would he need to tell him that? On the other hand, if YHVH is asking a human to sit at His right hand that is pretty significant and I could definitely see why such would be important to include in His word.
YHVH is the fruit of David’s loins?
YHVH the Father and YHVH the Son do communicate, before flesh, during flesh, and after resurrection. The Son does everything the Father tells Him to do in every position. Try not to get too hung up on the Father telling the Son things. It shows that the Son does what the Father tells Him to do and it tells the Bible reader that also. The Son is perfect before flesh, in flesh, and after resurrection. We can trust Him to say and do the right thing and that it always lines up with the will of His Father.
Remember that the Son emptied Himself in order to become flesh and returns to the glory which He had with the Father before the foundation of the world.
As we read the Bible and the story of the only begotten Son of God, we will see contexts where the Son is viewed according to the flesh, and not according to the flesh. Being open to this will help you greatly, imo.
In the OT, YHVH is seen at times. That couldn’t be the Father because no man has seen the Father. The OT clearly says that the Messiah will be called “YHVH our Righteousness.” In the OT, YHVH clearly says that He will be valued at thirty pieces of silver and that He orchestrates it to happen leading up to the crucifixion through the chief religious rulers. In the NT, Jesus says that it is required to give the Son the same honor as God, His Father. As I understand it, the Son sits on two thrones, one with the Father, and the other as the promised Son of David who sits on an eternal throne. The Son is the “Firstborn” in a couple of ways…the “Firstborn over all creation” and the “Firstborn from the dead.” As the Firstborn from the dead, He is the firstborn of many brethren, not as Firstborn over all creation. That is just a snippet due to my time restrains.
I could give you the scriptures but you probably already know them and I have to go for now. If you need a specific scripture, please ask.
God bless, LU
Mike: Do you believe that the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself out to be the Most High God that no man has ever seen? As if Jesus was literally trying to convince people that he was the very God who dwells in unapproachable light – whom no man can see and live?
LU: It seems to me that the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself out to be one who was “above” the law, one who can do whatever God can do and deserves the same honor. If they did not honor Jesus with the same honor as God, they were not really honoring God. They saw Jesus as one who thought He, like God, was above the law, particularly of the law of the Sabbath in that context.
That response sounds to me like you’re trying to dance around the direct question I’m asking. Let me try again…
John 10:33 NIV… “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
Who is meant by the word theos there? Who – in particular, by name or title – do you think the Jews are accusing Jesus of claiming to be?
For example, are they accusing him of claiming to be Yahweh? Are they accusing him of claiming to be the invisible God whom know one has ever seen? Give me a direct answer, please. Thanks.
Mike: I think that it clearly refers to the one name. How about you?
LU: I don’t think that is is clear to be only one name “Yahweh, our Righteousness.”
I’m trying to work it out in my head.
Philippians 2:9… Therefore God also highly exalted Him, and granted to Him the name above every name…
I would think that “Yahweh” is the only name above all other names, wouldn’t you? Does it make sense that Father Yahweh would give His servant a name that is even higher than His own name? Not to me.
On the other hand, the Father granting Jesus His own name would describe the words, “granted to Him the name above every name” perfectly, right?
After all, there can only be ONE “name above all other names”, right?
So if we add that piece of the puzzle to the mix, then it becomes clearer to me that “the name of my God, the name of the city of my God, and my new name” are all “Yahweh”. Especially when we also add Jeremiah 23:6 and 33:16 into it.
And that would also fit with your thought…
LU: I think it is possible that the verse in Jeremiah 33:16 should be read as Jerusalem we be called by whom is named Yahweh our Righteousness.
Yes. God is called by Yahweh. God’s city would then be called by His name, “Yahweh”. And God even granted His servant Jesus to also be called by His great and awesome name, “Yahweh”.
Therefore Jesus will write one name on them – which is the name of his God, the name of God’s city, and his own new name he was given when his God highly exalted him.
What do you think now, after including Phil 2:9?
Mike: John 3:16… For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son…
Just to be clear, the God who so loved the world is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
LU: Why would you say that?
Because the God of the Bible is a single-person entity called “He” and “Him”, and who loved the world so much that HE gave HIS only begotten Son. And the God that you worship is a multi-person entity who is also, for some odd reason, called “He” and “Him”, but who does NOT have a son that “He” gave because “He” so loved the world.
Mike: Just to be clear, the God who spoke to the Jews’ ancestors through prophets and to the Jews through Jesus is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
LU: And what makes you say that?
Because the God of the Bible, who spoke to the Jews’ ancestors is a single-person entity who has a son whom He spoke through in the latter days. Your God is a multi-person entity who does not have a son through whom He spoke in the latter days.
Mike: Just to be clear, the God that Jesus explicitly said was both our God and his God is NOT the God you worship and serve. Is that correct?
LU: And why would you say that?
Because the God of the Bible is a single-person entity who Jesus said was both our God and his God. Your God is a multi-person entity whom Jesus never mentioned, and who couldn’t possibly be Jesus’ own God.
Bottom line, your God is a combo of Father and Son, and so does not have a son. And Jesus is part of the combo, and so can’t say the combo IS his God.
Of course you know exactly what I’m doing, and what I’m asking/pointing out to you. Please just directly respond to the questions this time, instead of the “Why would you say that?” diversions that aren’t going to work anyway. Thanks.
LU: That is why Jesus asked why the rich guy was calling Him “good.” This is not about Jesus claiming that He, Himself is not good, Gene. The rich guy was flattering Jesus and Jesus exposed the lie of flattery through showing him that he was worshiping possessions more than following Jesus’ teachings about God being first in our lives…
Gene: Just as Jesus said “why call me good there is “NONE” GOOD”, EXCEPT “ONE” that’s “GOD” ONLY.
Gene has you dead to rights on this one, Kathi. Your interpretation of the guy flattering Jesus doesn’t allow for the latter part of Jesus’ statement…
Mark 10:18… “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.”
The man did indeed call Jesus good. Jesus, although he himself is very good (better than any of us could ever hope to be) immediately rejected the praise and pointed to his own God – the best of all.
It’s like when a football player makes a GREAT play and the crowd’s going wild and cheering for him, he hits his knees and points to the sky as a way of saying, “All glory goes to God, not me, for without Him I would be nothing at all”.
Like Gene said, the words, “No one is good—except God alone” refute your interpretation, because blowing off flattery would not merit Jesus speaking those last words at all.
LU: Btw, please answer this…who is on the Father’s throne with the Father now?
Rev 3:21
The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.
Jesus was granted to sit on the throne of his own God for a while… before he returns the kingdom back to his and our God after everything has been accomplished, right?
The real questions are…
1. Why are there TWO thrones in the first place?
2. Why, after Jesus hands the keys back over to God, will Jesus rule – not from the throne of God – but from the throne of God’s servant David?
3. Does Jesus granting others to sit with him on his throne make those others members of a “Jesus Unity”? And if not, then it’s just as clear that Jesus being granted to sit on his Father’s throne doesn’t make him a member of some “Yahweh/God Unity” either.
Berean: Why do you call me good? It was not Jesus denying his divinity. Instead, he invited the young man to think about it. It’s like Jesus saying, “Do you really know what you’re saying when you call me good?”
Sorry to be so blunt, but that’s utter nonsense.
“Young man, only God is good, so, (wink, wink), you’re really acknowledging that I AM God, even though, (wink, wink), neither you nor any of my apostles or disciples know it!”
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